Race and Racism

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I like Ecclesiastes. She inspires me to create this thread on race and racism. I’m going to deconstruct the main point right away. What do liberals have against race? Why do liberals not want race to exist?

I believe these answers are simple. First of all, the problem is not “liberalism” in itself. The problem is white liberals. Some liberals accept race existence. Some liberals are even racist. Is it possible to be racist and liberal? Yes, I think so, even though this is a very rare, fringe position. How many liberal racists do you know? A liberal racist, is probably, a political separatist. This type of person probably favors segregation and does not see segregation as “bad”, wrong, morally evil, etc. But this is beside the point.

White liberalism is a problem. Because white liberals sometimes deny the existence of race, and sometimes accept it. Here or there. They demonstrate selective reasoning. White liberals accept race existence when it suits them, and denies race existence when it hurts their primary ideology. So white liberals enjoy the luxury of hypocrisy. It is a “pick and choose” argument. You accept points when they help you, reject points when they don’t. Emotional reasoning, illogical, irrational. So there is a feminine aspect to this. What is a female white liberal? What is her piece of this puzzle, where does she fit in? This is also beside the point.

White liberals use race like a double edged sword, as an offense and defense. On one hand, white liberals “accept racism” and white privilege. On the other hand, they want to “end white privilege”. White liberals feel guilty, just from being born white. So you see the justification immediately. If whites admit that race exists, then privilege can exist, based on race (not class). If race does not exist, then white liberals cannot be privileged. So white liberals go this way or that. But white liberals prefer the non existence of race, since it is their “shortcut” path to legitimizing “white privilege”.

Let’s assume that race exists, for a moment. Race existence (race realism) has NOTHING TO DO with equality and inequality. Just because different races exist, doesn’t mean there is some “inherent, innate” difference between races, although almost everybody presumes there is, for good reason.

Because we can assume, for the sake of argument, that race exists, but it is merely superficial. This is the “We all bleed red” argument, or “We’re all black when the lights are off” argument.

If race is merely superficial, then so what? What can we do with this premise. White liberals would then have the ammo they need to defend themselves from the “white privilege” accusation. Because this is what white liberals hate the most. They don’t want to think it possible that people are “born privileged”. They want to falsify this idea, at all costs. This is the #1 threat to white liberalism. It is the idea of “innate privilege” that threatens liberalism. Because then, people are not born free, nor slaves, but with “difference”. And liberals don’t want people, anybody, to be born “different”.

This is the core of the nature-nurture dichotomy, or gene-meme. Liberals are anti-nature, anti-genes. To liberals, all is nurture, all is meme, all is education, all is nurture.

You can educate the stupidity out of everybody. Blank Slate Theory is the foundation of liberalism.

Let’s assume there exists “black liberals”. Black liberals also do not want “race” to exist. Because black liberals want opportunity and the ability to acquire privilege, if privilege is accessible. For example, do you personally want your children to be born poor, ugly, stupid, slaves, ill, diseased, in the worst possible conditions? No, probably not, I’ve never heard of anybody wanting this. Why would you want your newborn children born in the worst possible conditions? You want them born in the best conditions. And this is what privilege means precisely. It means to be born with silver spoon in hand.

And parents work hard, very hard, sometimes even sacrificing their health and lives, to ensure that their children and babies have privilege. People fight for privilege, sometimes to the death. This is true through war, too. Wars are fought, over resources, which parents want, need, demand, for their children. Privilege is a very real phenomenon.

And why should blacks be denied privilege, at least in the sense, that they want to feed their children. And that is more than a privilege. It is a necessity. Blacks want the “white privilege” to be shared. And white liberals, who hate themselves, and feel guilt, claim to want to give up this privilege. Now I personally believe that white liberals are actually evil liars. They claim to want to give up all their privilege to blacks, but they don’t. Instead, they do the opposite, because they’re hypocrites. They say one thing, but do the exact opposite. And this throws black liberals completely off base. Black liberals are more attracted to white conservatives.

Because blacks want the privilege. They want the opportunities. And white liberals routinely fail to give them up.

Because race is the barrier. Race is what white liberals use, as their shield, to keep blacks away from “white privilege”.

I think this is the underlying motivation, rationale, justification for liberalism, race, and “racism”, between whites and blacks, in America, in this 20th Century.

This is the context, not the 18th Century, not the 10th Century, not Russia, not Brazil. I represent a SPECIFIC CONTEXT!!!

So you can’t really argue, can you? No, you can’t take everything I say completely off base. You have these points, don’t you??? Just give me one counter argument, just give me a few counter points, if you dare.

Do it, go on!

The Japanese and other oriental societies have a female beauty ideal known as the Geisha. Their ideal woman has pale, white skin, as white as snowflakes. Pure whiteness, like “Snow White and the Seven Dwarves”. However Japanese also depict their Geisha’s with jet black, asiatic hair, with thin vertical painted red or pink lipstick.

If whiteness is a beauty standard in oriental culture,
If race is a “social construct”,
And if beauty is “in the eye of the beholder”,
Then how did east asian orientals develop this beauty standard of pure whiteness for their women?

Could it be that pure white skin, pale or fair skin, is an objective beauty standard, proved by the fact that this ideal developed over centuries, across the world, in two vastly remote locations, namely western European British Isles (pale white irish women) compared to eastern Japanese Isles (pale white Geisha women).

How will fanatic liberals address this phenomenon? If beauty and racism are both “social constructs”, then how did whiteness and pale skin develop as a beauty standard, across the world, in two vastly different cultures???

i’m white and i believe in white privilege. In other words i recognize the privileges i have as a white person. i don’t feel guilty about them, but i realize they are nothing i earned. Being white is generally an advantage in our society, and that’s good for me. i am lucky. im also a liberal and i believe in race. However, it’s ridiculous listening to people try to declare their own race as the superior one - that’s such obvious vanity.

Beauty is subjective and standards of beauty are inter-subjective, so they change all the time and from place to place. That two separate light skinned races have historically formed the same fondness for fair-skinned women should not be surprising, and the reasons for it have nothing to do with white skin being somehow more objectively beautiful than dark skin. That’s about the worst possible conclusion you could have arrived at, given your evidence.

Yet, isn’t privilege superior to squalor???

If you answer yes, then your stance is hypocritical. How can you claim that white privilege is “equal” to black unprivilege?

Racial rape crime statistics prove the reality. However I understand if people want to avoid such a topic. Truth is very ugly, about this point.

Can you provide specific examples of so-called “white liberals” who don’t believe that racism is a problem?

I won’t hold my breath waiting.

Why would i claim that? It doesn’t follow from anything i’ve said.

Racial rape crime statistics prove that fair skin is objectively more beautiful than dark skin? Really?

Bored and playing the “pick out the fallacy game” ugly?

I could but I don’t want to, bye.

You believe in white privilege but not racial superiority.

Privilege is the superiority. That is what black people want, a piece of the pie, a piece of privilege. And people like you will never allow blacks to prosper.

This makes you a hypocrite. On one hand you admit you have privilege, based on race, on the other hand, you claim that “people are equal”, somehow.

Clearly unequal in privilege.

Rape is a huge risk. Men don’t take huge risks raping ugly women.

It’s evolution and biology. Men take larger risks raping beautiful women. This is nature at work. It is also the reason why black men rape white women at several hundred times the frequency of white men rape black women. Because black women are considered ugly by western society, or are objectively ugly.

Take your pick. Although I already know you chose “ugly by society, cultural relativism”, because I know you better than you know yourself.

He needs help, moral support is a good start, thank you.

Yup. Just fighting the good fight. Futile, but good.

Yes. Because lots of white people enjoy unearned privileges does not make white people racially superior, whatever you take that to mean. It makes white people lucky, it does not make them superior. Surely you can grasp the difference.

No, it’s not. They are two different words with two different meanings. They are conceptually different. They are not really related at all.

No shit. The phrase “people are equal” is not literally true. Great discovery on your part.

If that were true, ugly women would never get raped. But they do all the time.

You can’t be serious with this, and i suspect you are not. First of all, black women are not considered ugly by Western society. Certain black women might be considered ugly (i’m thinking Whoopie Goldberg), but there’s no common beauty standard that says dark skin is ugly. Second, a black rapist may choose a white victim for any number of reasons, but white women being objectively more beautiful simply isn’t among them. The rapist might think they are more beautiful, but that’s a subjective personal preference.

So you’re telling me that black people don’t want a piece of white privilege?

This is false, they do want a piece. And to blacks, being white is the privilege itself. So yes this is “superiority”. You can torque semantics all you want. The reality is racial privilege. That is the superiority. That is the thing that is wanted. If orientals were privileged, the yellow race, then they would have superiority.

The superiority is the privilege. It is the thing.

Just like being born rich is a privilege. As an analogy, you would need to prove how being born poor “is neither superior nor inferior.

But you can’t do this, and you won’t do this. That means I’m right and you’re wrong.

One guy is walking along and he finds $50 on the ground. Same time, somewhere else, a different guy is walking along and he finds $10 on the ground. You’re saying the first guy is a superior person because he found the larger amount? If all you mean by “superior” is that guy number 1 has more money, perhaps - but then, it really doesn’t mean much for you to say he is superior in the first place. If white people have an easier time finding a job because they happen to have been born white, that doesn’t make them superior in any meaningful way to the black person who cant find a job, it only makes them more fortunate. You’re conflating superiority and good fortune.

Was it a matter of luck finding $50 or $10 on the street?

Is race a matter of luck??? This is your analogy, that, some races are “luckier” than others, just for begin born.

Using this analogy, accepting it, is it “luck” that a white person has children with another white person? Is it lucky if a black person has children with another black? How about mixed race children, luck?

Do people have sex by chance, whoops, sex was an accident??? I didn’t mean to have sex with you, it kind of just, happened? No choice goes into it? No planning involved? No forethought or afterthought? Are abortions luck? You’re lucky your parents didn’t abort you?

Where is the consciousness here? Where is the control? Where are the people who admit, “No, I specifically planned to have these children, with this woman, with race reality in mind.”

Where are the blacks who say, “I specifically want to have children with white people, because I want a piece of that white privilege.”

Luck??? Is this your final argument?

Of course it’s luck, nobody picks their biological parents, or chooses the color of their own skin. You think it’s a black person’s fault they don’t enjoy white privilege? You think it’s my own merit that affords me white privilege?

It doesn’t matter if nobody “chooses” their biological parents.

Your parents choose you. That’s the point. White people chose not to mix race. Black people chose to mix race, and do whenever the opportunity is open. Because privilege. Because there is more at stake here than you’re letting on.

For example, do people “choose” to reproduce with beautiful or ugly people? How many choose ugly over beauty? How many choose poor over rich? You know the answer. People don’t “choose” less privilege. They choose more. And this is reasonable.

You are ignoring the choice of adults. Maybe you did not make yourself as you are, but your parents did. And when you are an adult, you will make a similar choice.

Do you choose privilege or not?

So to deny race exists, or that people fight to reproduce with some types of people and not others, is disingenuous of what really occurs.

People are more than willing to fight for privilege. The next question is, should privilege exists? Should class exist? Anti classism is communism. It doesn’t work, except perhaps in China, where there is a complete racial homogeneity. In China there are one billion chinese, all of the same race. Maybe then, under complete racial homogeneity, “racism” does not exist or should not exist.

But the rest of the world is different. And those who are born without privilege, live a very real experience of all this. To deny “white privilege” to their faces is one thing. But to admit it, and claim nobody makes choices regarding it, is another thing.

How can you deny that people who were born privileged, choose to “remain privileged” as adults, when they choose to have children?

Or do you promote race mixing, and that white men should have sex with black women, and black men should have sex with white women?

Would you make racial homogeneity taboo, wrong, immoral, or even illegal?

As if our physical natures are simply a matter of ‘luck’. Isn’t this typical of the way the modern mind tries to deny its existence and therefore its responsibilities, turning over all authority to a faceless establishment?

What exactly is ‘white privilege’ anyway? A term concocted by Marxist losers to make the successful feel guilty and make themselves feel less worthless. Another variation on Nietzsche’s slave morality.

But what’s interesting is how certain white liberal males have been able to use the term to make careers off the backs of women and blacks. As part of the 60’ and 70’s restructuring of the West these males have secured jobs in industries affiliated with rights and equality as well as left wing academic think tanks and universities.

In fact, the explosion of subjects in higher edumacation such as women’s studies, gender studies, black studies, gay studies, transgender studies and every kind of bender studies, etc… etc… is simply capitalism exploiting the vulnerable and the weak to create new markets.

This is why now, after the economic downturn, so many feminists and blacks are crawling out of the woodwork to decry the relevance of these subjects. Perhaps they sense they’ve been had on some level.

But I always love the hypocrisy of the left when it demonstrates how dependent it is on capitalism whilst simultaneously decrying it as evil. It’s like children attacking the hand that feeds them.

It’s obviously more complicated and nuanced than simple luck, but that’s the gist of it, yeah. People with unearned advantages disparaging people without. Born at the finish line thinking they ran a marathon, they go on to criticize those who started from the beginning but didn’t complete the race - a race they themselves have never had to run at such high stakes or under such difficult conditions.

And ill never understand why everyone on the right assumes anyone who disagrees with them is a Marxist academic. It’s a weird, paranoiac tendency that i notice a lot.