# Rape, Murder, And Incest Amongst Animal Species.
**URL:** https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/rape-murder-and-incest-amongst-animal-species/18721
**Category:** Psychology and Mind
**Created:** [November 26, 2007, 2:28am UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/rape-murder-and-incest-amongst-animal-species/18721 "2007-11-26T02:28:29Z")
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### Author:  [@Joker](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Joker)
#### Post date: [November 26, 2007, 2:28am UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/rape-murder-and-incest-amongst-animal-species/18721/1 "2007-11-26T02:28:29Z")
Many like to equate animal species with “human morals” with fallacies of anthropomorphisms of the idealistic persuasion however in biology and studies of animals you will find a reality much different.
I have only but one goal in this thread: To name as many different animal species that I can find on the internet from A-Z that exhibit the behavior of rape, murder, and incest amongst their own species in order to dispel naive mythologies of moralists once and for all.
Consequently since this is going to be a large project of mine this thread will not be done all in one night but rather I plan to fill information into periodically with links and websites for each animal species.
I will first post the name of the animal followed by a picture of it only to describe the particular behaviors that it individually exhibits.
It is my hope tonight that I can find some national database that stores archives on the internet of a variety of species because if I can’t find one this will be more painstakenly harder to do.
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### Author:  [@MagsJ](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/MagsJ)
#### Post date: [November 26, 2007, 2:34am UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/rape-murder-and-incest-amongst-animal-species/18721/2 "2007-11-26T02:34:50Z")
and?
Yes, some animal species do, and humans often do too, but hopefully that kind of human will die out: sooner rather than later.
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### Author:  [@Joker](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Joker)
#### Post date: [November 26, 2007, 2:35am UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/rape-murder-and-incest-amongst-animal-species/18721/3 "2007-11-26T02:35:48Z")
I found a animal encyclopedia. 🙂
Let the games begin.
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### Author:  [@Joker](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Joker)
#### Post date: [November 26, 2007, 2:36am UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/rape-murder-and-incest-amongst-animal-species/18721/4 "2007-11-26T02:36:57Z")
> [@Magsj](#):
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> and?
As I said I won’t get it done all in one setting.
I plan to make this a enormous project on my part however I will name a couple of animal species tonight to get things started.
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### Author:  [@MagsJ](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/MagsJ)
#### Post date: [November 26, 2007, 2:38am UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/rape-murder-and-incest-amongst-animal-species/18721/5 "2007-11-26T02:38:56Z")
I have edited my post - please re-read…
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### Author:  [@Joker](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Joker)
#### Post date: [November 26, 2007, 2:41am UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/rape-murder-and-incest-amongst-animal-species/18721/6 "2007-11-26T02:41:08Z")
> [@Magsj](#):
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> and?
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> Yes, some animal species do, and humans often do too, but hopefully that kind of human will die out: sooner rather than later.
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> but hopefully that kind of human will die out: sooner rather than later.
What gives you these impressions?
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### Author:  [@Joker](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Joker)
#### Post date: [November 26, 2007, 2:46am UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/rape-murder-and-incest-amongst-animal-species/18721/7 "2007-11-26T02:46:37Z")
Let’s start with a classic case of animal cannibalism.
I am not beginning in the A section in a alphabetical sense but I believe this will work out for a first post.
[b]Species: Praying Mantis.
Behavior: Females eat the males of the species after sexual reproduction.[/b]
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> Female praying mantids are notorious for sexual cannibalism – that is, for eating their male partner during mating. However, the possibility that males may also have something to gain from this violent act has never been resolved experimentally.
[sciencedaily.com/releases/20 … 183753.htm](http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/07/060726183753.htm)
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### Author:  [@MagsJ](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/MagsJ)
#### Post date: [November 26, 2007, 2:57am UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/rape-murder-and-incest-amongst-animal-species/18721/8 "2007-11-26T02:57:09Z")
> [@Joker](#):
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> > [@Magsj](#):
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> > but hopefully that kind of human will die out: sooner rather than later.
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> What gives you these impressions?
I don’t know, but it’s something I sense - society cannot progress with how it is at present - there will be an impending shift in the circumstance of man: which will spell death to such primitive ways and qualities.
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### Author:  [@Lollipop\_King](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Lollipop_King)
#### Post date: [November 26, 2007, 2:58am UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/rape-murder-and-incest-amongst-animal-species/18721/9 "2007-11-26T02:58:21Z")
I do believe he’s trying to provide evidence concerning the origin of human morals.
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### Author:  [@Joker](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Joker)
#### Post date: [November 26, 2007, 3:14am UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/rape-murder-and-incest-amongst-animal-species/18721/10 "2007-11-26T03:14:32Z")
Species: Mallard Ducks And Waterfowl.
Behavior: Forced Copulation. (Rape.)
[elibrary.unm.edu/sora/Auk/v097n0 … p0879.html](http://elibrary.unm.edu/sora/Auk/v097n04/p0875-p0879.html)
[bytesofscience.blogspot.com/2007 … -with.html](http://bytesofscience.blogspot.com/2007/05/mallard-anas-platyrhynchos-species-with.html)
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> "Some female ducks and geese have evolved complex genitalia to thwart unwelcome mating attempts, according to a new study.
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> Males of some species, such as mallard, have a notorious habit of “raping” females. They and other wildfowl are among the 3% of bird species whose males have phalluses big enough to insert into the vaginas of females, whether or not the female consents.
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### Author:  [@Joker](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Joker)
#### Post date: [November 26, 2007, 3:16am UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/rape-murder-and-incest-amongst-animal-species/18721/11 "2007-11-26T03:16:58Z")
> [@Satyr](#):
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> I do believe he’s trying to provide evidence concerning the origin of human morals.
It just gets to the point that I am tired of people in the conversations of morality in bringing up animal species around their naive foundations of personal subjective morals centered in the fallacies of anthropomorphisms.
I figured the best way to combat this is to create a entire thread devoted to the behavior of animals. 🙂
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### Author:  [@Joker](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Joker)
#### Post date: [November 26, 2007, 3:20am UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/rape-murder-and-incest-amongst-animal-species/18721/12 "2007-11-26T03:20:33Z")
> [@Magsj](#):
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> > [@Joker](#):
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> > > [@Magsj](#):
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> > > but hopefully that kind of human will die out: sooner rather than later.
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> > What gives you these impressions?
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> I don’t know, but it’s something I sense - society cannot progress with how it is at present - there will be an impending shift in the circumstance of man: which will spell death to such primitive ways and qualities.
In otherwords you only decree such things as wrong in the name of your idealistic ideologies.
I commend your honesty.
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### Author:  [@Lollipop\_King](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Lollipop_King)
#### Post date: [November 26, 2007, 3:23am UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/rape-murder-and-incest-amongst-animal-species/18721/13 "2007-11-26T03:23:11Z")
> [@Joker](#):
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> > [@Satyr](#):
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> > I do believe he’s trying to provide evidence concerning the origin of human morals.
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> It just gets to the point that I am tired of people in the conversations of morality in bringing up animal species around their naive foundations of personal subjective morals centered in the fallacies of anthropomorphisms.
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> I figured the best way to combat this is to create a entire thread devoted to the behavior of animals. 🙂
Good idea.
I just don’t have the time to indulge in such futile attempts to make a point for those that cannot think for themselves or outside their feel-good cultural box.
Perhaps it will also shed a light on gender issues for those that confront me with their failed human delusions concerning nature, sexual roles and feminism.
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### Author:  [@Joker](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Joker)
#### Post date: [November 26, 2007, 3:43am UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/rape-murder-and-incest-amongst-animal-species/18721/14 "2007-11-26T03:43:53Z")
> [@Satyr](#):
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> > [@Joker](#):
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> > > I do believe he’s trying to provide evidence concerning the origin of human morals.
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> > It just gets to the point that I am tired of people in the conversations of morality in bringing up animal species around their naive foundations of personal subjective morals centered in the fallacies of anthropomorphisms.
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> > I figured the best way to combat this is to create a entire thread devoted to the behavior of animals. 🙂
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> Good idea.
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> I just don’t have the time to indulge in such futile attempts to make a point for those that cannot think for themselves or outside their feel-good cultural box.
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> Perhaps it will also shed a light on gender issues for those that confront me with their failed human delusions concerning nature, sexual roles and feminism.
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> Good idea.
Thanks. 🙂
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> I just don’t have the time to indulge in such futile attempts to make a point for those that cannot think for themselves or outside their feel-good cultural box.
I am mostly doing this out of boredom and because I’m basically tired of the misuse of animal studies by whining lamenting moral humanists.
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> Perhaps it will also shed a light on gender issues for those that confront me with their failed human delusions concerning nature, sexual roles and feminism.
I knew you would get a kick out of this thread.
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### Author:  [@MagsJ](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/MagsJ)
#### Post date: [November 26, 2007, 3:50am UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/rape-murder-and-incest-amongst-animal-species/18721/15 "2007-11-26T03:50:00Z")
> [@Joker](#):
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> In otherwords you only decree such things as wrong in the name of your idealistic ideologies.
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> I commend your honesty.
In other-words, yes: I decree such things as wrong because something inside my head tells me they are, and no, it’s not voices: it’s my innate moral code - every modern unit should have one 🕶
If you want to liken yourself to primitive creatures: that is up to you, but some of us evolved differently / without negative attributes…
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### Author:  [@Joker](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Joker)
#### Post date: [November 26, 2007, 3:52am UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/rape-murder-and-incest-amongst-animal-species/18721/16 "2007-11-26T03:52:13Z")
Species: Orangutans.
Behavior: Forced Copulation
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> Unfortunately, however, even the obsolescence of sexual swellings did not seem to have guaranteed the safety of estrous females and their immatures. As they became obsolete, males could not distinguish between estrous females and anestrous ones. As a result, many males obsessed with mating tried to copulate forcefully with any females they came across. This kind of eccentric behavior has come down through generations of orangutans until today. In fact, forced copulations are known to take place frequently among modern orangutans,43 in stark contrast to other species of great apes.
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> Among common chimpanzees, forced copulations are observed but very rarely.44 On the other hand, they are not observed among pygmy chimpanzees.45 Such a case is not reported among gorillas, either, to my knowledge. Thus, orangutans are an exceptional case among nonhuman primates, in respect of forced copulation.46
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> Unfortunately, male orangutans seem to have gone as far as copulating forcefully with pregnant females probably with the result that many pregnant ones suffered abortion, causing their population to dwindle. If the situation had not been reversed. they would have disappeared from the face of the Earth.
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> Females were put under severe stress. They had to find out a way to repulse irresponsible males at least while they were pregnant. But they could not use force to keep males at bay because they were physically no match for males. They were helpless.
[aboutancestors.com/RedOchre/Red\_Ochre\_4](http://www.aboutancestors.com/RedOchre/Red_Ochre_4)
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> During a four-year period at Tanjung Puting Reserve, Central Indonesian Borneo, subadult males were observed for 670.5 observation hours, 463 hours of which were as focal individuals. Subadult males were quite gregarious, participating in groupings for 40.9% of the time they were observed as targets. Subadult male sociality centered around females; 83% of the time subadult males spent in groupings was exclusively with females, as compared to 3% of contact time spent exclusively with other males. Much subadult male sociality can be understood in terms of male-male competition for females. Interactions between adult and subadult males were almost entirely determined by the presence or absence of females. Adult males were more belligerent when females were present. Twenty-two copulations or attempted copulations occurred during 16 subadult male-female encounters, two of which were consortships. The majority of subadult male copulations (86%) were resisted matings. Outside of consortship, resisted matings (or the first in a series of resisted matings or attempts) usually took place at encounter or shortly thereafter. Subadult males also surreptitiously followed adult males and their consorts. Subadults frequently located receptive females before adult males did but were replaced by adult males when these appeared. Subadult male reproductive strategy consisted of both sneak/rape and consort tactics with sneak/rape predominating.
[www3.interscience.wiley.com/cgi- … 4/ABSTRACT](http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/cgi-bin/abstract/110487404/ABSTRACT)
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### Author:  [@Joker](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Joker)
#### Post date: [November 26, 2007, 3:53am UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/rape-murder-and-incest-amongst-animal-species/18721/17 "2007-11-26T03:53:29Z")
> [@Magsj](#):
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> > [@Joker](#):
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> > In otherwords you only decree such things as wrong in the name of your idealistic ideologies.
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> > I commend your honesty.
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> In other-words, yes: I decree such things as wrong because something inside my head tells me they are, and no, it’s not voices: it’s my innate moral code - every unit should have one 🕶
What you really mean to say is that your religious semantical moral codes in your head tells you that its idealization “must” be met by everyone.
🕶
( Absolutism nonsense.)
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### Author:  [@MagsJ](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/MagsJ)
#### Post date: [November 26, 2007, 3:58am UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/rape-murder-and-incest-amongst-animal-species/18721/18 "2007-11-26T03:58:56Z")
> [@Joker](#):
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> What you really mean to say is that your religious semantical moral codes in your head tells you that its idealization “must” be met by everyone.
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> 🕶
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> ( Absolutism nonsense.)
The idealization “must” be met by everyone, or they will die-out: like every other obsolete mammal has done so before them - I will leave you alone now, and stop defiling your ‘thread’. 
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### Author:  [@Joker](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Joker)
#### Post date: [November 26, 2007, 4:00am UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/rape-murder-and-incest-amongst-animal-species/18721/19 "2007-11-26T04:00:02Z")
> [@Magsj](#):
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> > [@Joker](#):
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> > What you really mean to say is that your religious semantical moral codes in your head tells you that its idealization “must” be met by everyone.
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> > 🕶
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> > ( Absolutism nonsense.)
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> The idealization “must” be met by everyone, or they will die-out: like every other obsolete mammal has done so before them - I will leave you alone now, and stop defiling your ‘thread’. 
Here comes the religion. 😛   
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### Author:  [@MagsJ](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/MagsJ)
#### Post date: [November 26, 2007, 4:08am UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/rape-murder-and-incest-amongst-animal-species/18721/20 "2007-11-26T04:08:48Z")
What has survival of the best, got to do with religion? I thought it was more to do with Biology/Science, myself!
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