Rationalization

[Nausamedu]

@greenfuse

Yes, I agree. Honestly, I’ve never seen anything like it. I’ve certain met narcissists, but life doesn’t usually have everything posted in text, so you can actually put contradictory statements next to each other. But he can persist denying even then. It’s remarkable.

Thats what makes it a defensive prompt.
A casual narcissist would dismiss a conversation if they had lost it, deflecting the content and instead going for a win by “decorum”.
For someone who ties it to their own self-worth however, they cant do it because they would have to admit in the process to themselves that they had lost.

Defensive coping mechanisms are the ones which are usually the most compulsory of them all, because the individual cant admit the fact of the matter to themselves.

Thats also probably the one which sucks the most. It takes an immense mental and psychological toll on the individual, so they usually end up like this, a self-contradicting mess that disregards even basic logic, because they cant afford to adhere to it.

[anew1]

@greenfuse

@anew1

And, you can certainly also think or believe that you can hide more online than in person, but for ‘us’ weknow who ‘you’ are exactly, already. So, ‘you’ cannot hide from ‘us’ online at all really.

If you really believe that, it’s still false.

If you believe so. But, considering the fact that ‘you’ do not yet know the Accurate and Correct answer to the question, “Who am ‘I’?” And, that ‘we’ also know who and what ‘you’ are exactly, also, just maybe what is actual False here is your belief and claim.

[greenfuse]

@anew1

In post 127 of this thread.

Thank you. I do truly appreciate that you made the effort.

I am going to copy/paste that post here because when I read it can’t see what you proved.

@anew1

@greenfuse

@Nausamedu

And everything you are today, is the net sum of knowledge and experience you went through since the day you were born.

Before this sentence I could agree, but twin studies show that much of what we are is built in - genetically if you want to call it that.

Why do so many people believe that just because a ‘study’ was done, this means that whatever is concluded therefore ‘must be true and right’?

Now, the 'knowledge of Right and Wrong, in Life, (or good and evil if one prefers), is ‘built-in’.

I call ‘this knowledge’, ‘unconsciously known’. However, as human beings keep evolving, ‘this knowledge’ becomes known, consciously, and so ends up becoming, what I call, ‘consciously known’.

Once this ‘built-in’ or ‘ingrained’ knowledge becomes ‘consciously known’, along with other knowledge like, for example, the coming of knowing thy Self, then this is when human beings evolve into the ‘next stage’ of evolution, and when they begin living in Peace and Harmony together, as One.

@greenfuse

I am focused on that everything you are part. We are a kind of tabula rasa when it comes to information, but our temperament, character, even interests are often quite built in.

Where is ‘the proof’ that “temperament”, “character”, and “interests” are “quite often” ‘built-in’?

Also, what does “quite often” even mean and is referring to, exactly?

And, will you elaborate on ‘what studies’, exactly, “show” that much of “what we are” is 'built-in"?

What are the words, “what we are”, even referring to, exactly?

Which part of this is a proof and what claim is it proving?

Thank you.

[anew1]

@greenfuse

As for the second part of your claim: it’s the anger I notice.

And, that is all you are going to “see”.

@greenfuse

What is the opposite thing you are here to do?

LOL you still cannot even qet your questioning Right and Accurate. Again, this is because you started presuming I meant something that I did not.

@greenfuse

@anew1

I call ‘you’ it no matter what emotions are within this body.

You do it rarely these days and only when the typos, lols, confused sentence structures arise after you meet a lot of resistance or your contradictions are pointed out.

you could not be a more closed human being here “greenfuse”.

@greenfuse

You could hide better if you called me ‘it’ all the time or dropped that assinine behavior.

What do you believe, absolutely, ‘I’ am trying to hide here, exactly?

[greenfuse]

@anew1

If you believe so. But, considering the fact that ‘you’ do not yet know the Accurate and Correct answer to the question, “Who am ‘I’?” And, that ‘we’ also know who and what ‘you’ are exactly, also, just maybe what is actual False here is your belief and claim.

Well, that’s impressive: you know who and what I am exactly, but maybe what is actual False here is my belief and claim. So much knowledge and all we can get is a possible conclusion.

[anew1]

@greenfuse

@anew1

LOL No argument was even made. it just claimed that the earth does not revolve around the sun.

I asked for proof. I am still waiting for it.

He gave you evidence.

Still, even after all of this time, this one cannot distinguish between ‘evidence’ and ‘proof’, although the distinction is blindingly obvious.

@greenfuse

Childishly you refuse to interact with it, precisely as most of Galileo’s detractors refused to interact with his evidence. And of course you did not respond to what I wrote on the subject. You are clinging to an old model just as they were.

And you also too.

@greenfuse

I guess you are a follower of Galileo.

Here is another one of this one’s completely and utterly False, Wrong, Inaccurate, and Incorrect guesses.

They are really letting you down so dismally, “greenfuse”.

@greenfuse

And that is your cult: the heliocentric gang. Will you provide evidence or proof that the barycentric model is false?

See, how it has, once more, jumped to an absolute conclusion, based upon absolutely nothing at all other than its own preexising beliefs and assumptions.

[anew1]

@Nausamedu

@anew1

you have not produced one single academic definition that proves ‘your claim’ that there is proof that the earth does not revolve around the sun.

Anew. As you admitted, you dont have any idea what i wrote to you or what that proof even entails.

@anew1

What are you even on about here?
you believe and claimed that the earth does not revolve around the sun.

What kind of incentive do you think i have to attend the irrational claims of someone who already admitted he doesnt even know what he is talking about?

When did ‘I’ ever admit that I do not even know what ‘I’ am talking about?

you say some of the weirdest things sometimes “nausamedu”.

Look, why do you not just finish the sentence:

I believe, absolutely, that the earth does not revolve around the sun because …

@Nausamedu

All i can do is watch as you make an even larger clown out of yourself my man.

Please keep watching and obviously, and please do not stop writing and replying as well.

@Nausamedu

There is no context under which anyone could respond to you in a rational manner.

So, there is absolutely no context whatsoever at all under which absolutely anyone could just respond ‘to me’ in a ‘rational manner’.

It is these types of remarks and claims that I really do hope you do not stop sharing and expressing here.

[anew1]

@greenfuse

@anew1

I obviously and clearly never said anything otherwise.

So, do you agree with the barycentric model?

Do I agree with ‘what’, exactly, in regard to the barycentric model?

I agree that it is just ‘a model’. Is there anything else that you are asking me what I agree with in relation to ‘that model’?

@greenfuse

@anew1

Only after reading the instructions in each of the Nine Steps

There were no instructions in the nine steps you gave me.

LOL, LOL, LOL Of course not. I informed you already of the very reasons why there were no instructions in the Nine Steps.

Do you actually read, and take in, ‘the words’ I say, write, and use here?

@greenfuse

8 of the steps were a single word. Unless that’s a verb, like ‘run’, single words, especially nouns, do not contain instructions.

It is this kind of babble going on inside that head why you are failing so dismally here.

@greenfuse

@anew1

Also, if you ask instead of demanding, you will be provided with a different outcome.

Will you please give me the link to where you proved the universe is eternal and infinite?

Sure, again, in post 127 within this thread.

And, as always, if you would like further clarification, elaboration, and/or proof, then just ask away.

@greenfuse

@anew1

Even in “nausamedu’s” clip it shows the earth revolving around the sun.

It shows it revolving around the barycenter, which is close to the Sun.

Okay. So, does this mean that you believe the earth revovles around the sun, or not?

Do you believe the moon revolves around the earth, or that it does not?

@greenfuse

@anew1

Are you like “nausamedu” and believe that the earth does not revolve around the sun. Or, are you with “galileo Galilei” and say that the earth does revolve around the sun.

I’ve already answered this. I am with Nausamedu.

When, exactly, did you supposedly answer this?

@greenfuse

Amazingly, people have learned things in the last 400 years.

And, it could also be said, amazingly, you human beings have not really learned that much more in the last 400 years, hitherto when this is being written.

[Nausamedu]

@anew1

I believe, absolutely, that the earth does not revolve around the sun because …

of the basic laws of physics which have been explained to you within an entire article under the name and definition of barycenter. The one which you reacted to in this fashion:

@anew1

What are you even on about here?
you believe and claimed that the earth does not revolve around the sun.

very obviously stating that you have not understood even the most basic aspect of anything that has been said.

@anew1

So, there is absolutely no context whatsoever at all under which absolutely anyone could just respond ‘to me’ in a ‘rational manner’.

It is these types of remarks and claims that I really do hope you do not stop sharing and expressing here.

Dont worry man, i will keep on pointing out each time you make a fool out of yourself with a single paragraph act of comedy like how the scientific community agrees with you about the idea you couldnt even grasp in the first place and how that doesnt even matter because:

@anew1

I already knew you had none. This is just because it has already been proven. Even in the literature that you provided us with here.

your position is somehow already proven over mine (trust me bro). Oh and that you are also proven to be right within my own proof, even though you didnt understand it and cant point out where or how.

Tho i admit its kind of meaningless to keep on pointing out the joke that you are. Afterall everyone is perfectly capable of understanding what you are doing my dude.

[anew1]

@greenfuse

@anew1

I think that even in the video clip that it provided it can be very clearly seen and noticed that the earth is revolving around the sun.

I thought you didn’t do evidence.

I am not using it ‘as evidence’ for anything. I just said that I think even in that clip it can be very clearly seen and noticed that the earth is revolving around the sun.

@greenfuse

@anew1

How many times do you have be informed of where the proof is?

Given how fast the posts are coming, I certainly could have missed it. Have you recently told me in this thread where the proofs are? You have proofs, here, for all for claims? If I missed these proofs, my apologies.

What proofs and/or claims are you, now, referring to, exactly?

If your questions are a lot more specific, then my answers and clarifications can also be a lot more specific.

Would you like to focus on one specific claim at a time, and proceed with ‘that one’ until a resolution is found, or would you prefer we just allude to a few or a lot and just jump and weave all over the place without any coming to an agreed upon and accepted resolution at all?

[anew1]

@Nausamedu

@anew1

How much effort are these people going to spend ‘on me’?

Way more than its warranted Anew… just by talking with you.
You should appreciate them.

Yep, it is me who should appreciate “others” because ‘they’ have spend time and effort talking ‘with me’. I should feel so privileged and grateful that “these people” have gone out of ‘their way’ ‘for me’.

[Nausamedu]

@anew1

Yep, it is me who should appreciate “others” because ‘they’ have spend time and effort talking ‘with me’. I should feel so privileged and grateful that “these people” have gone out of ‘their way’ ‘for me’.

You should appreciate them because they are willing to entertain your incoherent babbling and gaslighting, where you contradict yourself several times within the span of one paragraph.

[anew1]

@Flannel_Jesus

@anew1

Now, I am still waiting to find out if anyone else here also believes that earth does not revolve around the sun like “nausamedu” does. What do you believe?

I already answered this question.

you did not answer ‘my question’ at all. Can you really not see and spot ‘the difference’?

@Flannel_Jesus

You literally quoted my answer, and then asked “What do you believe?” as if you didn’t read the words I just wrote.

LOL the words you wrote were about what ‘you think’. I asked you about what ‘you believe’. It is as if you didn’t read the actual words that I wrote.

But, please do not feel to bad here, you are certainly not alone. It is only on the very rarest of occasions people here read the actual words I write, and less often that they actually come to see and understand what I mean by the words I say and write here.

@Flannel_Jesus

Don’t worry about the video clip, worry about the words written.

Why here do you tell me not to worry about the video clip? Could it be because the video clip shows the earth revovling around the sun.

@Flannel_Jesus

Did you read what he wrote about they Barycenter?

What is its viewpoint, exactly?

That the earth does not revolve around the sun?

That the earth does revolve around the sun?

Or, something else?

@Flannel_Jesus

Did you read what he wrote about they Barycenter?

Lets say, No. What did it write about the “barycenter”, exactly?

[anew1]

@greenfuse

@anew1

LOL That one was one of the least significant examples I could have used. “socrates” or “jesus” for example could have been used.

All of them are just human beings like the rest of you here.

It’s fine that you used an example you seem to consider one of the least significant examples. Unless you think it was a poor, mileading example. I guess you are laughing at yourself for choosing poorly.

But, I chose it purposely. Again, for a very specific reason.

@greenfuse

@anew1

All of them are just human beings like the rest of you here.

I’m not sure why you think anyone here needs to be informed those no longer living people and we here in the forum are human beings.

And, at the rate you are going, you will never be informed, and know for sure.

[anew1]

@greenfuse

@anew1

How much effort are these people going to spend ‘on me’?

I was wondering how stupid you think the people of the future are since you have been saying for 8 years that people in the forums are proving your claims all the time. And yet you keep making more effort.

you are obviously still absolutely unsure what the significance is of what I am showing and proving through the help of you people here.

@greenfuse

For us, of course we spend efforts on someone who has

The answers to all meaningful questions in life

and thinks these answers

are very simple, quick, and easy to find.

See how, in just these very few words of mine, this one has again failed absolutely to grasp them and understand them.

@greenfuse

This person seems to have a hard time actually showing these quick and easy answers,

No I do not at all.

And, I have already informed you what makes things hard and complex here.

LOL When have I been asked?

@greenfuse

And that makes for a fascinating personality.

It’s like meeting a square circle.

If this is how things appear ‘to you’ here, then thank you for letting us know.

Imagine absolutely misconstruing so much just that very short simple sentence ‘of mine’.

[anew1]

@greenfuse

@anew1

See how it completely and utterly ignored the very part that is absolutely necessary here.

You made a claim we were all in a cult. If I provide the definition it would most likely not be the one in the claim.

Is this ‘the fear’ you have here when you are asked to clarify ‘your postion’?

@greenfuse

So, all you are doing is avoiding proving anything, As usual.

LOL Imagine trying to prove, for example, that God exists, to someone when;

1. They believe God does not exist.
2. They, “themself”, do not yet even have a definition for the God word. Or,
3. They refuse, absolutely, to inform you of what definition they use for the God word.

It could be now said that whatever proof you provide that one with, they could most likely change the definition accordingly.

If you are going to refuse to tell how you define the ‘very thing’ that you want me to prove, then so be it. As I have repeatedly said, I wait, patiently, for those who are Truly interested.

Also, and by the way, why do you have the preexisting belief or presumption of what the definition is, in the claim?

[anew1]

@greenfuse

@anew1

To prove it is very short. But, to prove it, to you, this website is not big enough.

Yeah, ok. You can’t do it.

LOL, LOL, LOL

So, I write, ‘To prove it is very short’. But, what this one “sees” is, “I cannot do it”.

So, once more, this one has just proved, once again, that it does not matter what I say and write here, it only “hears” and “sees” what it wants to “hear” and “see”.

So, again, thank you for presenting ‘your views’ and ‘beliefs’ here.

@greenfuse

Or you would do it for potential readers who unlike me would see the very short proof for what it is.

So, this one believes, absolutely, that “I cannot do it”, which laughably claim that “I would do it” if only …

Also, what you call the “future readers” have already recognised, seen, and understood ‘the proof’. The very reason why “they” have come here to read these writings is because of what they also discovered, learned, and understood, with proof, when they did the Nine Step process.

[Nausamedu]

@anew1

So, once more, this one has just proved, once again, that it does not matter what I say and write here, it only “hears” and “sees” what it wants to “hear” and “see”.

[greenfuse]

@anew1

Still, even after all of this time, this one cannot distinguish between ‘evidence’ and ‘proof’, although the distinction is blindingly obvious.

I can distinguish between evidence and proof. You extend proof to covering things that are not proof that do not meet your own criteria for proof, such as your experiential proof example you gave of people walking on the Moon.

And self-contradictorily you even used evidence when you thought you were countering his evidence when you referred to what you saw in the video.

@anew1

And you also too.

No, I read it, checked to see if it made sense to me and then put it into my own words in a post to you.

@anew1

Here is another one of this one’s completely and utterly False, Wrong, Inaccurate, and Incorrect guesses.

I’d need a few more synonyms to really understand what you were trying to say here.

@anew1

See, how it has, once more, jumped to an absolute conclusion, based upon absolutely nothing at all other than its own preexising beliefs and assumptions.

Again, lying with the use of ‘absolute’. It’s only you who reach absolute conclusions here, and then refuse to provide evidence or proofs.

[greenfuse]

@anew1

But, I chose it purposely. Again, for a very specific reason.

Ooh, the little cult leader tries to take on an aura of mystique.