I wanted to try this diet and was wondering if anyone has tried it, is on it, or if anyone has information saying whether it’s healthier or not (From other diets.). From what I’ve read, I’m under the impression that it is a great diet that is really healthy for the individual.
When and if I try this diet, I wanted to eat raw foods with some milk and possibly some cooked vegetables such as potatoes, corn, and green beans. If this is a bad idea, please post saying it is and why. Thanks.
It is pretty easy to get raw milk on the black market. It is available wherever there is a farmer’s market. Just pretend you are looking for drugs, look for a dairy booth where something seems out of the ordinary. You may need an introduction, but once you’ve identified the vendor in question you can usually either bluff that or, if they are extremely paranoid, buddy up with someone they are associated with.
It is a great diet for losing weight but it is poor in a lot of ways. Cooked foods contributed to the rise of humanity, after all. Make sure you find a reputable butcher so you can still have meat in your diet – mmmm, raw meat.
But why are you going on this diet? Like the Atkins diet, it basically sets out to fix a problem that shouldn’t be there in the first place. Exercise as well as a good mix of fruits and veggies (both raw and cooked) should render it unnecessary. Unless your lifestyle is already so out-of-whack that you need to engage in extremes to fix it – and everybody knows that extreme measures rarely produce enduring results when it comes to physique.
Well, I’ve read that it can benefit greatly in repairing and strengthening your body. This is the reason I’ve made this thread, to find out if this is true and to get responses from people that could lead me in the direction to learn about it. I do have my doubts, and there are some very extreme results that people claim to be true (Such as repairing damaged teeth.). I just want to know at what point do the benefits begin, end, or if they even occur.
People claim that when we heat food over 116 degrees Fahrenheit it kills enzymes that our body needs. But I have also seen people claim that our body makes these enzymes so there is no need. Also people have made the same claim as you, that we have adapted to heating food, but that may be inaccurate because not all adaptions benefit us in the long run. In fact, I believe it’s the opposite.
It shouldn’t be the enzymes. The pH in our stomach is low enough to denature pretty much any enzyme unless it was specifically designed to function in that environment. And given that plant material doesn’t develop inside our stomachs, well, I have a hard time believing that there are any enzymes present that would be of any use.
Vitamins and pro-vitamins, however, that is a different story! Anthocyanin, found in many things but at a very high concentration in beets, is a fantastic antioxidant. For those who can metabolize it anyway, I can’t. So after I eat a raw beet, my pee is blood red – as is my poop! Cooking, however, destroys most of the anthocyanin, so after I eat a cooked beet my pee and poop look normal. A lot of substances work the same way in a lot of different foodstuffs. Sometimes that is bad (more antioxidants like anthocyanin would be a good thing for most people) and sometimes that is good (there are a lot of toxins in plants – they don’t like to be eaten). Plus cooking simply makes a lot of calories available that were previously locked up in such a way that we could not access them.
When you do a raw food diet you are basically decreasing the bioavailability of everything in what you are eating. However, there is an increase in non-caloric nutrients that offsets this fact, so you end up massively increasing the ratio of nutrients per calorie (making a distinction between them, for a moment). Right now, the modern diet generally has too few nutrients and too many calories, so raw foodism is a worthwhile corrective. But, again, it is trying to fix a problem that shouldn’t be there in the first place and like any form of over-correction, it brings with it problems of its own.
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I’m going to start by saying, I’m no biologist and that probably is obvious. My understanding in this field is limited.
I’m not sure exactly what your saying here. Can you elaborate a little more?
Do the problems it brings outweigh the benefits when compared to other diets?
The raw diet is for individuals with godlike willpower. Six months seems easy, and I concur, the strength benefits seem believable, but I am sure BS levels are crippled?
What? Why must one have godlike willpower? And what of these BS levels you speak of? I assume BS means Bull Shit, so how many claims do you think is “BS”?
Stomach pH is around 3. That is end-game. So that is that.
As to problems outweighing benefits, that depends on which diet! Compared to the unrestrained modern diet it is a lot better. But that is like saying that eating shit is less likely to cause a heart attack than eating lard. Undeniably true, but it doesn’t really mean anything.
If you are in the position to consider a raw diet, then a raw diet is probably a good idea for a while.
What does that mean? What exactly are you stating here? Are you referring to the breaking down of enzymes?
How is gastric acid released?
Looking at wiki, there is a bunch of things I don’t understand. Perhaps you have enough patience to explain how it all works. If not, I understand. Anyways, thanks for the responses.
Theres a lot of toxins in food that is broken down by cooking, some are created by it as well. Humans were using fire before our species* of human. It pre exists our modern group of humans. Ancient human was using fire before we were on the scene.
Theres good reason to cook many foods, to kill pathogens, to denature toxins, to increase the bioavailability of nutrients. Xun, I’d think you’d lose nutrients on a raw food diet, if fire was with us before we were human its likely we’re well evolved to eating cooked food and less great at extracting the greater nutritional capacity of raw food, many which are toxic.
I’d puke if I tried eating a raw onion, but after slow exposure, its probable your liver builds up more enzymes vs that toxin. (well not probable, it does for some vegetables anyway)
so my advice is raw food diet is kind of dumb, kind of dangerous, but if u do it at all start slow, so your liver may adapt to raw vegetables.
Why would we evolve to eat only cooked food? I’m sure that isn’t all we ate. I have a question though.
Is there any truth to that?
We’re not only evolved to eat cooked food, we’re likely well evolved to eating cooked foods because cooking fires predate our species of human. What I mean is that we have probably degraded our ability to process/denature the toxins and parasites of many foods because cooking has been with us forever and does part of that job. We are well adapted to eating many raw foods, fruit, many vegetables, but plenty of easy to eat foods like most meat and many vegetables become harder to eat without cooking.
As to indegestion, raw food diet would cause that by itself no? many vegetables are easier to digest when cooked. What causes indegestion seems to be largely variant between people as well.
The idea of eating raw meat is kind of nasty. Do you sit it in the sun? What makes it edible and not bacteria laden? Stomach acid is effective stuff I guess.
I doubt it. I doubt the life expectancy of someone consuming raw meat exceeds that of the general population in the US or Canada. Even were it true, its a claim with no evidence.
Humans routinely live to 80 on high fat diets, theres no mass population of raw food enthusiasts, 20million+ large to compare. I’d very much expect food poisoning deaths to be more common, infection, etc. Intuitively you feel its better than the avg american diet, were I to ask my doctor about eating raw meat I know what kind of reply i’d get.
The avg diet in some places contains weekly fish. Raw or undercooked fish is a huge source of parasites.
many foods contain toxins or compounds to prevent your ability to take in nutrients, like avidin in uncooked eggwhites for example, a common rawfood staple in some raw food diets prevents you from getting vitaminB7. heat denatures avidin.
Many have similar tricks. Many/most raw veggies fuck up Iodine processing
Goitrogens that fuck up your thyroid are common in raw vegetables. Thers toxins in raw brassica (some of which even survive cooking)
No its just a huge assumption raw food diets are any healthier, after consuming or avoiding the huge array of devestating toxins and pathogens its not, just a dream.
The Raw Food Diet does not contain meat from what I understand.
But are there more or less toxins that we can digest in this diet then others? I geuss it’s not only a matter of how many, but how effective the toxins are as well.
Edit: Also is there more nutrients available once your body has adapted to the diet?
More than compared with the avg american diet, which is bad in other ways. The american diet will invariably produce heart disease or vascular disease as we age and char on meat is a potent toxin, the lack of diverse nutrients will make cancer more likely, long term. We know that people routinely live to 80 this way.
Despite the avg american diet being bad, I think raw diets are probably much worse. The toxins in modern foods tend to be mild, its the ultra fat content that our bodies do poorly with, the lack of diverse nutrients.
You get more toxins and more potent toxins from vegetables. veggies have nutrients but their filled with toxins or proteins which inhibit your abilty to uptake them. Iodine and B7 for example.
A dog or cat would sicken and die from a hearty salad but you could feed them burgers for ten years, humans are succeptable to the parasites of meat eaters like lions, we’ve historically eaten many of the same foods. Humans are not 100% carnivorous, but we’re carnivore enough that many raw vegetables are poisons to us in anything but super minute quantities.
You’d get sick off cooked vegetables If you ate anything but tiny and diverse quantities. Like the green apple, you get a stomach ache after 2 apples, you’d puke at 4-6, and worse afterwards. The seeds aren’t finished production yet, it doesn’t want to be eaten. Then the seeds themselves are potent precursors to cyanide. Crushed appleseeds are a poison potent enough to kill, to poison and kill another human.
and these aren’t particularly potent compared to vegetables. You need iodine, oxalate is another plant defence.
The bitter/strong taste in vegetables is literally toxin, thats you tasting the toxins. Not all vegetables but many. Parsnip, onion, etc
and by toxin i mean toxins so diverse its beyond imagination, increased photosensitivity, blocking the uptake of iodine or B7, or a MILLION other diverse effects. The diversity of plant toxins , particularly vegetables have evolved is breath-taking. Many are used in medicine, toxins to slow or increase heartbeat, etc.
The world of plant defences is fertile grounds for medical science.
Ok, now I’m really confused. Does the apple seed thing only apply to apples? What about watermelons? I’ve heard that fruit seeds were really good for you and I eat watermelon seeds all the time, and in large quantities. Also what about raw carrots? I can eat those all day long. And apples for that matter. In fact I just had two. Does this only apply to green apples? And bananas. Those are really tasty. Oh, and black olives…
Well anyways, one thing I noticed about the diet is that those toxins will affect you most when you start the diet. After that, people say that they feel ten times better. So my question is, can we adapt to eating these toxins assuming that they won’t kill us first?
The appleseeds contain cyanogenetic glycosides, many fruits of the rose family contain similiar defences, like the pits of cherries or peaches. When you eat them through an enzymatic effect after consumption the glycosides convert into hydrogen cyanide gas, they can kill you in fairly small doses.