is it better to live a lifestyle in acceptance of death pain and all that bad stuff
or is it better to shelter people from in an attempt to live happier lives?
basically is morality a flawed belief?
would people be better off individually with morals?
would people be better off as a species with morals?
No and Yes
The whole point of life is un-death. So accepting, but avoiding.
not for those who believe in heaven…
-Imp
while im sure you are all quite “deep”… it would be nice if people elaborated considering it is a discussion forum.
elaborate… ok
for those who believe that heaven will happen after they die are not living for the sake of life but rather for the sake of death…
the jihadist lives for his virgins
the christian lives for his heaven
not living for the sake of living, but living to die…
-Imp
o fuck. i shouldve known you would respond. i understood what you said. its the other two who choose to be vague with 1 or 2 sentence responses to multiple part questions.
i asked like 5 different questions and i got like 15 words in response. wow… i feel like im philosophizing. getting down to the bottom of what makes life life
so how about a more controversial question…
do you beat your kid to prepare him/her for a harsher reality or do you hide it from reality? should child abuse be legalized? is it even immoral?
I thought corporal punishment (and by “corporal punishment” I mean the traditional use of the hand to “spank” the buttocks of a child for the sake of disciplining) was for the sake of a light operant conditioning, not intended to be cruel or excessive.
Ever hear the song: “A Boy Named Sue”? An anti-example.
But then again, one ancient greek philosopher mentioned that some parents dipped their children in cold mountain streams to toughen them up. So I guess it’s been done. Perhaps our culture is too epicurean to entertain such a course of child-rearing. I think the greeks would almost be arrested for child-abuse today with such a practice.
If you are a complete ideot then you will use you’r fists instead of you’r brain, and easily destroy the true meaning of “humain”. I would not think it would realy hurt anyone if all the people that spend their time hurting others were killed, do you? Wouldn’t that actualy be a relief in society? And how did you’r parents treat you as a child? Hm? Would you brefer if they overwealm you’r young mind with stress and assult and shatter you’r entire future on earth?
Its not moral at all, and it doesn’t “work”, but idiotic cannibals love it.
If you spoke to a real psycologist they would easily teach you about mental health, and then you would realize that perents need to love thier children and tell them that they are special and help build thier confidance and hug them and kiss them and listen to what they have to say. etc, etc. But, as usual, insolance and neurosis flow like wine in modern minds, and this sort of description of patenting sounds un-natural and strange to the basterds who would prefer a quick and easy fix such as anger.
If people had this attitude of acceptance of problems in life, there would be virtualy no technology existant. You would not have a computer or internet to type words that you would not even have been educated to write, and no electrisity to power this computer, and 30%+ odds of being dead and rotting by now due to non-existant medical technology.
Once we accept somthing we stop fighting it.
The “lifestyle” question here is actualy, at the root, weakness.
Would it be better if you were weak vs if you were strong?
Im talking about the ability to face life’s problems and work hard at fighting them.
Morality is basicly also the word “justice” and its the only damned thing that is holding our “civilization” togeather. It is basicly the ideal that humans have the right to live instead of be allowed to kill eachother or hurt or take away from eachother. Social paracites and cannibalistic mad men hate justice and compassion because they are truely psycotic people. Then there is the problem of “justice” being deviated and abused… The anger we feel towards “justice” often exists because of the fact that “justice” gets to be “unfair” because of it’s limits and weaknesses.
Morality in places like USA is very liboral in some ways, but then very repressive in other ways. Taking drugs for example, counts as a “personal freedom” [but it is stopped and hated by law men]. Homosexuality is also a “personal freedom”. If we ever did wonder why some morals were hypocritical or stupid, it is because this [general cultural] “morality” of the nation is actualy a collective [human] personality/opinion.
cba1067950, you know im right.
And so is that “better” or is that “worse”.
Is war “better” then “peace”? Is hate “better” the love?
Fighting what we need is a form of insanity and denile.
Humans need love and compassion and justice and unity.
If, while weak, he says “i am strong”, and he also believes in his own lie, he is a lover of insanity, and will continue to hurt others with his error.
Should child abuse be legalised? Only if we can put a tax on it.
I suppose you’ve got to be careful because kids have this peculiar habit of being a lot less predictable than emotionally matured people (I’m at loathe to say ‘adults’). It is hard to judge the threshold at which one ceases to toughen the kid and begins to scar the kid emotionally. Hence why a ‘one size fits all’ school discipline policy will never work…
isnt operant conditioning the same thing as “toughening” up the young? you condition kids not to do “bad” things or they dont survive.
You seem to be working under the assumption that all ‘morality’ is imposed.
I am fairly sure that isn’t the case. Many of the ‘right’ and ‘wrong’ behaviors we commonly associate with morality seem to be inherant biologically, as well as logically useful from an evolutionary standpoint
if you have to kill someone to save the world from murderers youre creating quite a fun catch 22.
and thats exactly how my parents treated me. though i dont view my future as shattered. im sure many people grow up the same way.
the military is pretty successful in training people and hugging and kissing is more or less illegal as a soldier.
that wasnt the point of the question really. it was more of death is a part of our society whether we fight it or not and probably always will be. do we learn to accept it or do we continue to condemn it? if we learn to accept it do we live better lives or do we live better lives if we constantly shelter ourselves from it. can someone be taught to morn without it effecting their well being? or is it better to be taught to prepare for the “one day youll lose everyone you loved… figure it out for yourself”. religion is an attempt to deal with it but its shallow because its in a sense an illusion. “they arent dying they are living forever… you just cant use any of your senses to know it”
Morality is basicly also the word “justice” and its the only damned thing that is holding our “civilization” togeather. It is basicly the ideal that humans have the right to live instead of be allowed to kill eachother or hurt or take away from eachother. Social paracites and cannibalistic mad men hate justice and compassion because they are truely psycotic people. Then there is the problem of “justice” being deviated and abused… The anger we feel towards “justice” often exists because of the fact that “justice” gets to be “unfair” because of it’s limits and weaknesses.
Morality in places like USA is very liboral in some ways, but then very repressive in other ways. Taking drugs for example, counts as a “personal freedom” [but it is stopped and hated by law men]. Homosexuality is also a “personal freedom”. If we ever did wonder why some morals were hypocritical or stupid, it is because this [general cultural] “morality” of the nation is actualy a collective [human] personality/opinion.
cba1067950, you know im right.
And so is that “better” or is that “worse”.
Is war “better” then “peace”? Is hate “better” the love?
Fighting what we need is a form of insanity and denile.
Humans need love and compassion and justice and unity.
If, while weak, he says “i am strong”, and he also believes in his own lie, he is a lover of insanity, and will continue to hurt others with his error.
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i agree for the most part with this.
whether morality holds a country together i dont know. politicians suck to say the least. how that plays into loyalty is complicated.
morality in the US is a joke though. saying its liberal is an understatement.