I can logically and deterministically demostrate that logic will not take you anywhere. What more prove you need?
Logic doesn’t own a car: so you are right in that respect: it can’t take you anywhere (this what you meant?)
I will take your post as an allegory. If I take it literally I will have to kill you. Regretfully I don’t have any means to kill you so better I will take it as an allegory.
It is even worse that if logic owned a car. Logic is the car. A fancy car, a powerful nifty top-op-the-line car. They announce it in TV every day, drawing you to drive it so you can be with the dumb busty blond that smiles you in the passenger seat (BTW, that blondes are dumb is possible the only truth in advertising, I assert). You live every day by logic, doing this because that or in order to such and such. Minotaurshit! You think that you are going to be happy in that car or it is going to take you anywhere, you fool. One think I can assure you, the makers of that car don’t use logic to built it. If at least they were conscious about that you will have a savvy masters, but they also want to drive the car, what makes you an even stupidest thing, logic’s slaves.
In your case it’s not an issue.
Agreed.
Thanks Satyr, your allegation of absurdity just honors me. It is curious though that my absurd still makes more sense that thy so call logic.
Joker, how can you so easily agree with me, can you explain what I mean?
LOL, you don’t understand how you even think do you?
When you navigate you’re using logic… which path do you choose, the left one or the right one?
Boolean logic – yes or no?
There’s a person who’s going to smash into you if you don’t dodge her, you can go left or right, you got to make a decision quick, the right looks like the shortest path, so your mind makes a split second decision (based on logic) to go right.
Logic is the most powerful force in the universe. All science is based on logic, if reason is over-valued, then you must really hate the modern science and technology since it’s all based on the most sophisticated reasoning and logic.
SuperMegaCulture, your apology of logic is not just incongruent, is ironically illogical, my friend.
First, more to my point of logic manifest paucity that you only defend it by talking about it with irrational and religious fervor: “Logic is the most powerful force in the universeâ€â€¦ yes it thrives between us and ties everything together, that mystic force, our Jedi Knight, sorry, our Logi Knight.
Then you give that “smashing†example and you crash all the way with it. Did you hear about the rational donkey paradox? Use YOUR logic: If you are faced with an object approaching yourself at a perilous speed just in the middle and you only have your logic to deal with it then you will just smash into it; what appears not to be a great loss, I should add.
But humans have more significant equipment to deal with reality than logic. Just look around who lead the people in the world, just some examples: Bush, Bin Laden, Paris Hilton. Neither known for their sophisticate reasoning, and still their followers think that what they believe is perfectly logical. Take a look, “war on terror†(quite an absurdity in its own terms), “the holy killing of the infidels†(no need to elaborate its ludicrousness), “sucking penises†(this one at least makes some sense). Those are the things that move us, that move the world, not your pity logic.
Logic does not even rule unanimated objects (please study quantum physics), even less your unanimated minds. And you still say that logic is a powerful force. Continue believing in that myth.
BTW, I don’t “hate†logic, I just disdain it, my dear slaves.
Logic is a useful tool, but it has its limitations. It is merely a minor subset of human thought.
Not bad, but you are too reasonable to be truthful. You are just being politically correct with it, trying to manage both ends, Hillary-philosopher. However that is like those that say “I use drugs but I control themâ€. Know that it is no tool but master. Logic is human’s worse autocrat, once you give it some power it will control your life.
You should embrace the rebellion against logic or be logically humiliated like the others.
Kill me? Chill the fuck out, man!!!
…your logic kicks in when it needs to: you may not notice, but at times you will use logic as a means to an end - this, is fact!
Tell me: if it is not: how do you switch your logic off, and not use the natural facility of it?
You are certainly threatened by other people’s logic - I can tell from your replies, and from you yourself - don’t bother to tell me otherwise: as I know you are …
Actually logic does rule-unanimated objects, if it can be represented as digital data (boolean data) then it can be represented - as data in another set. Sorry you lose, the world works on logic, in fact there are MANY logics, even if you don’t know what they are, you’re mind works by using a different (perhaps transcendental) logics, even if we don’t understand it.
How do you think data that isn’t visualizable is visualized? Through being able to project and convert the data to another form.
Money can be represented as charts, graphs and colros (geometric data). Think again.
Logic as with anything is merely a tool. tools can be used or misused, they can build or take apart they can harm or heal. fix or break. It all depends upon the person or thing that uses tools. I say thing because of evolving AIs
Logic: Rules of consistency based on sensual awareness where patterns are discovered that repeat themselves indefinitely.
Magsj,
If you don’t notice how I switch logic off you are even blinder of what I thought, you are a brick dude.
On the other hand it looks like you need a clarification: that the absence of logic is very different from stupidity. The latest being the incorrect and unskilled use of logic, the former being the ignorance of it.
You say that you can tell from my replies and from “you yourself†that I am threatened by “other people’s logicâ€. Yes, I will not bother telling you otherwise. It is quite obvious how from my myself mine replies that such conclusion is irrefutably derived. Your logic is let say quite brickly if not granitical. After that it looks like I don’t need to clarify which of the two previous specified categories you are embedded into.
And don’t worry about being killed, I not an altruist as to do you yourself thou such a favor.
SuperDupiCulture,
My friend you need to back off a little from your multi-core graphics particles’ accelerator. You are such a geek that your vision is becoming pixelated. Cum’on man, do you believe you are in the Matrix or what? There is world outside where real people exist and we don’t view other’s anatomy as “geometric data†but as delightful tits. You need some fuck urgently, but please don’t try it with your mouse. Better turning off your computer and walking away like with your feet, not moving the joystick of your wizard of level 3.
Only after that you can read about quantum mechanics and learn how the world does not works on logic, but you need to understand pelvis mechanics first. And BTW, there are NOT “many logicsâ€, that is a monumentally illogical statement. Logic is based in deterministic cause-effect relations. Two plus two is always four, there is not relativism in logic. Then you have the case where from the same exact event could derive several completely different and even contradictory outcomes, that is quantum physics and logic doesn’t rule there. I already explained how your “other logics†are called: stupidity. I still love you over that.
Kriswest,
Rejected Theory managed to say almost the same thing as you but using less words. I refer you to my answer to him/her/it. I don’t say it because evolving AIs, WABOG! (What a bunch of geeks), but because its (and yours) undecided stance. Don’t be afraid of it, I love you too.
Satyr,
Talking of its, are you a dictionary or a person? Are you capable of something else that replying with definitions? Are you are on the side of logic or against it? It is not truth that you secretly desire what nobody here dares to say?
Logic may be the most sought after/admired “force” in the mind/universe, but science and technology can also be seen as detrimental to the survival of our species. Hence the atomic bomb. Most people, when they think of modern science, medical issues always spike their immortal hopes, but they dont realize how much personal control is given up with the advent of these super cool gadgets. Freedom is essentially lost.
I agree with the above sentiments that started this thread. Logic fails. And all the people who hold reason up to the highest light, only seek a false security. We know nothing.
I could say blather blather blather in a meaningless way and you could not fight against its existence, you could only catergorize it as being something that lacks substance, because you can not use it/exhuast it in some benificial way. Like the way nature is being exploited and exhausted by tech “advances” that consume faster than they recycle and replenish. Nothing too logical about that.
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Oh, I’m sorry was I supposed to just pick a yes or no answer on a question with no definitions?
Like the Christian God.
God exists!!!
Yes but what do you mean by ‘god’ and ‘exists’?
I pick…hmmmmmm…Logic.
Like I said, when it comes to logic you have nothing to worry about.
Nature already chose for you.
Logic is a…“force”?
Logic will kick in, as one of your survival instincts, if need be: whether you want it to or not, FACT!
Whether your logic will be viable is another matter: perhaps that is why you seek to switch your logic off - meditation will probably help you to have a more viable logic for each new circumstance that arises… If you bypass logic and go straight to instinct: then you’d be working from a psychotic stance…
I guess I’m agreeing with Satyr: that nature dictated your very being: hence your logic, but your viability is dictated by living/life itself…
Reasoning is entirely subjective and relative.
Most people make a religion out of reason in form of delusional absolutism.