Reincarnation

There are numbers of religion on earth. But only Hinduism and Buddhism believe in in reincarnation.

There are no. of cases exist where a person relive his previous birth. Recognizes his previous birth places and regions. They also recognize their past family correctly and accurately. And the family well agree with them.

Now even scientist have also started accepting it up to some extent. There had some experiment been conducted where hypnotism being used. A person is brought to state of deep hypnotism where he enter to his pat life and get to know about it.

But people still think of it as a myth and false.Still it is a strange mystery of mankind…!

Hi where4. I’d point out that Buddhism teaches lack of inherent identity as one of its most fundamental philosophical tenets. Buddhism also teaches that nothing persists. What do you think that implies relative to reincarnation?

Recognizes birth from another life? Family from another life? How? And how could this be verified?

No, i think this tenets of buddha philosophy is related to existence. Reincarnation is natural phenomenon, it is not any identity. It is a natural process of birth cycle human being passes through. Reincarnation is not any kind of philosophy but factual happening with mankind.

But given these Buddhist tenets (lack of inherent identity; impermanence), what is it that reincarnates?

Just a question. It’s ok with me if you believe in reincarnation.

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Nope, druidry teaches transmigration of the soul too, though it’s a bit more free-form, there arent really any rules.

In an informational universe it may be plausible that we can access information about such things without necessarily having lived the lives. Past lives through hypnotism tend to be kings and the like ~ we could be accessing something more universal.

It could be true that the mind not being physical simply continues, but it could also be true that individual identity is purely physical.

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Anon yah i believe it as anything in the existence. And this is not out of any belief system, i have encountered two cases myself.

it seems that reincarnation is a theory…

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It is simply an assumption without any effort for verification.

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that’s rebirth rather than reincarnation ~ not meaning to be picky. :slight_smile:

With rebirth your reality continues but not anything that you would describe it by e.g. personality, self, inner self and any transient describable natures. For me as there is only one reality [Buddha being or for me caugant [divine infinite]] then there is no rebirth of the individual just many expression [including births] of that oneness, so in short the individual is not born again.

On the other hand I have been wondering lately about ‘physical’ reincarnation, that information about you connects you to the next form or birth and within the context of universe.
Information ‘exists’ in a single space, as does infinity [has no x,y,z, spatial locations], hence there is no effort or journey between incarnations but a direct connection.

I don’t think Buddhism is monistic on this issue. Certainly Tibetan Buddhism clearly follows the idea of reincarnation, as groups of monks go out and test children to see which one is their recently deceased leader. But even in other Buddhisms many practitioners believe in past lives that they had and future lives that can be improved through various means.

Ian Stevenson set up a kind of groudwork for this kind of research, working primarily with children. He would check the child’s memories of the past life, if it was possible, with the actual life of the person the child is claiming he or she was. He was a cautious, meticulous researcher and always carefully documented discrepencies.

Yeah, I looked him up and watched a video of him giving a lecture on his research. His data is very interesting. It definitely seems to give evidence for reincarnation. I don’t think it’s the nail in the coffin, though. So hopefully people are following up on his research.

Well, no there are more.

Sihks
allaboutreligion.org/sikhism.htm

Native Americans
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reincarnat … an_nations

Certain parts of Judaism
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reincarnation#Judaism_2

Certain Chritianities
reluctant-messenger.com/origen1.html

Sufism
rose-sufi-crescent.blogspot.com/ … ation.html

Australian Aborigines
crystalinks.com/aboriginals2.html

Potentially Shintoism
litesofheaven.com/shinto.html

And many other idigenous religions and pagan Europe, for example, have facets or reincarnation in their beliefs.

There seems to be a sort of fuzziness between reincarnation, rebirth, and transmigration–but they all have one thing in common–what is called the ‘soul’ lives on after physical death. That’s a humanly comforting thought–much nicer than a lot of Christian thinking about life after death. The French theologian, John Calvin, seemed to believe only a certain number of souls–the Elect–would achieve ‘heaven.’ Was he then saying that there were only a certain number of ‘souls’ to start with, and, that, if your soul was among the elect, only your soul would achieve unity with a Creative Spirit?

I’d rather think there are lots of souls around and they exhibit themselves in various ways–but, to me, they must learn certain ‘things’ before they can advance to a ‘higher’ way of life. This learning often comes in bits and pieces. A soul can learn to love, for example, but not learn patience, so it takes what it’s learned and goes on to learn the next step in achieving unity. What is unity for the soul? Isn’t it ‘wholeness’ as a complete soul? Isn’t the ‘complete’ soul what religion tries to teach, in its various ways?

Yes, many choose to say rebirth, rather than reincarnation, in order to highlight lack of any persisting entity. I am reborn in every moment, but there is no separate or objectively established “I” that is reborn.

Yes, but how to understand all this is always the key factor (not implying that I understand it correctly, by the way). It’s about “right understanding”, not absolutely correct belief. For instance, most Buddhist philosophical schools make the distinction between provisional teachings and ultimate teachings. This distinction in itself, no matter what teachings are being discussed, clarifies that many Buddhist teachings are presented for their instrumental value. So the teachings on reincarnation might be pointers facilitating understanding, rather than truths in themselves. For instance, if you act as if reincarnation is true, what transformations do you undergo as a practitioner? Then, having undergone those transformations, what have you learned about what is true? Can it be put into words? If not, what can you do to encourage others to discover what you have discovered? Of course this approach can degrade quickly, as can be easily seen when looking at the relationship between the priests and laity in well established Buddhist cultures in Asia (priests proclaiming the healing powers of relics, etc.)

Personally, I think this idea of a fixed self is quite problematic, and difficult to deal with. I think anything that helps a person to stretch or modify their sense of fixed and independent self is helpful, will introduce mental ease and facilitate more straightforward relationships. It’s not as simple as I have a soul versus I don’t have a soul. Just as the teachings on interdependence help people overcome their fixation on their own independence, the teachings on rebirth, to the extent that they include the ego (the false idea that “I” persist through time), help people to commit and persevere on the Buddhist path.

Moreno quite an informative detail regarding the subject, may have taken lot of effort. But there are some reservation, as the belief of reincarnation in the most of sects or religions you have given is contradictory. All of them contradict somewhere here and there, which is not there in hinduism and buddhism. Here is an example of Sikhism…!

Besides, the Sikh Gurus rejected the notion of past life or the life after death, and made it abundantly clear that the present life is the only chance to realize God. For example: O my mind, my dear friend, this is the time for you to meet the Creator. Moreover, this opportunity will last only as long as the body is healthy and full of vitality. AGGS, M 1, p. 20 Take advantage of your birth as a human, this is your only opportunity to meet God. AGGS, M 5, p. 378 “Don’t look to the past, make efforts to make your future life successful by meeting God, because you won’t be born again,” says Nanak. AGGS, M 5, p. 1096 “You won’t be born again, take some measures to obtain salvation right now. Praising the Merciful One, will take you across the ocean of worldly temptations,” says Nanak. AGGS, M 9, p. 220

In my correspondence with McLeod, I pointed out to him that there are numerous verses in the AGGS making it abundantly clear that our current life is the only chance to become a sachiara (gurmukh, understanding and realizing God). According to the dogmas of “karma and transmigration,” there could be many chances, theoretically unlimited. He refused to debate the matter.