I’ve read a lot on the subject, but the whole topic is still murky.
Is it wrong to copy a youtube clip of a song? Is it wrong to copy a digital song from a friend’s collection? When you copy a song from another, is it impinging upon the imperative “thou shall not steal?” Is it wrong to watch a friend’s movie if they have downloaded it from the internet?
What if a friend email’s you a song? Do you delete and tell them they should refrain from duplicating music?
Is it wrong to use a neighbor’s internet for free?
Do you refrain from the above to decrease the probability of getting caught? Or, is the risk minuscule enough that you do it regardless?
Is being poor a justification to the above?
My guess is that most will be against “internet piracy,” most will refrain from copying music for monetary gain, but at times, most will say it is a judgment call. At times, I suspect some may think it may be okay, and I’m interested in hearing about those situations where they think it is gray, or hearing about those who think it is still black and white.
I read the posts labeled “Righteous music/music pirates” and was not satisfied with the discussion. Any other discussions already posted in this forum about this topic?
check the basis first. The rule was made for a collection of people from different persuasion and attitudes and related history and and and gathered together to form a nation … originally there were hundreds of rules … then they were boiled down to the ten rules. Therefore there is an issue as to the “thou” in the rule. . It is speaking to the clan leaders to impose the rule and restrain its clan members ?. . it is speaking to the clan leaders not to rob the other clans forming the union. Whether it applies to a member of clan stealing form his own clan or other clans ? and and and — There are other possibilities I can think up .
in any of the cases if .the rule applies then another rule takes over which is in the event of violating the rule then you act so as to produce positive results from the action violating the rule . So the violation of the first rule could be linked to its susceptibility to consequences in terms of actor and/ or the combination of the actor and the rule and the clan or the whole nation to produce positive results from the violation of the rule. So there is an issue about the stealing. Stealing from stealing differs in that respect.
Issues of responsibilities . not everyone who violates the rule is the same. a holy man like me violating the rule is not the same thing as someone like you doing it. it’s offensive to suggest it is. manners if you please.
There is also an issue in the event the rule clashes with other rules. For example If thou shalt not steal clashes with thou shalt not kill. If stealing saves a life from getting killed.
Jesus addressed those issues in the NT. He called some instances hypocrisy. He also suggested that not violating the rule in some instances is punishable.
In moral law the rule could be abrogated on considerations such as justice. in which event the rule itself no longer applies to the act . is not relevant to the act.
And and and . Listen like it says…the woman is like a flower . when she is ready she will open her petals for you. If she doesn’t then take her. You want the car you steal the car. You want the cows you steal the cows .you want the woman ? take the woman…just take her. . .
oh forgot to mention. the tree of knowledge of good and evil. you save a man from drowning and he goes and kills someone. can’t tell. therefore …the steps of a good man are ordered by good.
sorry i forgot something else. western jurisprudence . the overall rule is to make life tolerable–derived from NT . so issues of trading freedoms versus crime control. costs . industry …cops making a living and prison guards and judges and and and
i think Hollywood was started by carpet baggers who wanted to get around the patent rule restricting use of cameras. .
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What I find amazing is that this question was never posed in the days of being able to record on tape the songs on the radio. Astonishing what a truly global medium can do to one’s purse, huh.
On the contrary, I find that hard to believe. Not one person talked about copyright infringement in regards to copying songs from the radio? I think what you mean is that this issue was not as big as it was in in those days, but there is a reason for that - because it sucks copying songs from the radio. Now, I can copy a whole buttload of songs, I can copy which songs I want; in general, the cost of copying a song has decreased. You don’t have to wait by the radio for your favorite song.
You have fully addressed the following statement (I infer the answer is “no” to the question.)
However, you appear to also be questioning the morality of any action within the context of Christianity. In other words, know one knows what is right except God. In other words, Christianity has absolutely no moral system that is even discoverable by a human, since only God knows of that moral system! Anyway, that whole line of thinking seems to be a different argument entirely.
That aside, most of the examples you present are irrelevant to the main topic. Although, if I were to infer parallel arguments from your examples, you appear to be saying that the ethical issues of copying a song from the Internet depends on the person, whether or not it leads to some higher good (which can’t be predicted except by God), whether banning it would lead to increased costs from lawsuits, etc.
However, I want to keep the argument about the ethical/moral issues; for example, the golden rule. If you were a band, would you want people to copy your songs? Some might say that the band would be happy if people copied their songs, since it would mean that people are appreciating their songs, especially if they were confident that the sales would be sufficient to give them a satisfactory amount of compensation. Others would say that when it comes to indie bands, you should pay for their songs to support them, because they need the money to continue existing. Others would tout the badness of the music industry; they have enough money already. Or, maybe the issue is about the consequences; you should refrain from copying internet songs, because you may be caught, etc.
What Christianity? who is talking about Christianity? where did I say Christianity ?
If you’re talking Jesus as in the new testament , actually the opposite is true. Jesus is so clear cut in his statements he leaves you no room to duck for cover. If you want to play rules with Jesus you will lose. his trick is very simple … you yourself are a thief . not a day goes by without you stealing . you want to come to him and talk about thou shalt not steal? He will sock it to you
This the guy who goes….you’ve heard it being said so and so …now let me tell you this you hypocrites who would sooner rob your own mother grave than not steal …your brother takes s your shirts you give him your jacket too
one time I was in the desert roaming and I ran into Jesus . he looked so thin. Looked sickly skeletal .very pitiful you know. no actually disgusting . hmm i think. I get off my camel and I look around and I find me a point of protection and I sit there and I look I wasn’t about to say anything’s knew better than to open my mouth and talk shit. .he was squatting in rather large sort of dish. . He starts shitting and he dips his finger in his shit and he eats the stuff. I crack up. I laughed so hard .stamping my feet on the sand . He looks at me and he starts laughing so hard even harder than me and he say to me …go pay your debts.
From day one you’re a thief . your whole life is one continuous series of stealing. You’re thief son of thief grandson of a thief all the way back to Adam the father of thieves…
Thou shalt not steal means go pay your debts to whoever you owe, to society to Jesus to whoever . . It states the obvious. You’re thief . so go pay your debts because you know you look funnier than that disgusting skeletal starved of goodness eating shit and loving it. That guy is you, is me , is everyone.
You make me laugh so much. Enough laughter for one day for me. I’ll go eat something. My granddaughter is making me something to eat today .she says no one shalt make food for her grandpa today but her . When she was little thing we be sitting in the shade eating dinner in a big circle and suddenly I feel this thing pushing and shoving on my side trying to get through .i take her and sit her on my lab .i grab some of the food. Its very hot. Our food is served straight from the fire in huge trays .i cool it with my hand and give her to eat then everyone hands are stretched out offering her something to eat…
but I didn’t pretend not to have talked about the NT .
btw I detect a change in your performance. You switched from being an insolent juvenile to being a whiner.I wonder why and I wonder what comes next .
you got banned for trolling didn’t you ? this is what this is about .
My advice whenever you go through one of your newly acquired episodes of whining what you do is beat your gum by opening and closing your mouth with great speed. This should loosen up the viscosity and hopefully help you figure what trolling is
you want to talk about it ? by all means. sit down. i know i know. you got abused at home , got trampled on . dysfunctional way of relating . your life story . are you going to continue like that all your life ? go ahead. i doubt it though
see that action continues to do you a world of good. your language gets better by the day.
spare the rod spoil the child.
I’m trying to help you out. dysfunctional could be argued as mitigating circumstances in terms of violating the rule. I’m doing like Jesus . interceding for you.
where do you think the concept of lawyer came from?
It is worth pointing out that things like “piracy” only make sense in a cultural matrix where individual creativity is king and that is a very recent phenomenon. Ask anyone who’s taught in SE Asia – there just isn’t a concept of plagiarism there. You can explicitly prohibit it but it would be like demanding that declensions rather than word order determine subject-object relations in English for a writing assignment. It isn’t just there either. Look at the Aeneid. There are tons of lines ripped from other sources there, so many that Virgil would be kicked out of any American University for academic dishonesty.
What we have through the current on-line system actually represents a return to this other system whereby ownership is conceived only rather than held by a small group of literati, the democracy of the search engine allows for unfettered access by all.
The trick is how to reconcile this modern democratic form of information with the classical form. In the classical form, everybody was expected to know where the original came from, so the act was less one of theft and more one of homage. Hyperlinking provides the most obvious route, though that alone may not be enough.