As everybody here by now already knows I am a neo pagan but more importantly I am also a political nationalist.
It is of my opinion especially for people of the European national sentiment that we understand religion is an importance of societies and nations like everywhere else.
The problem within western civilization for us is Christianity because it is a faith that is strongly opposed to nationalism with its disturbing universalism that reiterates internationalism or globalism much like it’s Judaic predecessor. One could argue Christianity, Judaism, or Islam are all actually the origins of both Communism and Cultural Marxism.
The difference between Christianity and Judaism is very minimal.
I would argue in this thread that Christianity, Judaism, and Islam all are completely incompatible with European cultural values or traditions.
Currently neo paganism and folk religions are making a big comeback in European nations where this is a good thing considering both are projections of national cultural sentiments.
It is in the best interests of European Nationalists everywhere to support the neopagan movement and reject Christianity everywhere it stands.
Undoubtedly there are nationalists that are Christians which are also European.
Some of these poor fools think that Jesus was an Aryan European or that one of the lost tribes of Israel was somehow from Europe. It’s embarrassing really not to mention also very stupid.
Still, within the nationalist community there is an extreme contention or schism on religious beliefs.
Being that Europeans all over the world are currently becoming a minority world wide its not like we can reject these nationalists because of their assinine faith. We need all numbers we can muster of course.
The best that the neopagan nationalist can do is draw as many people to our beliefs as much as possible in the hopes that someday European Christendom dies out some point in the future.
Our goals and aims is to see that neopaganism or folk religions at some point become the new European majority.
Until then within national political circles religion becomes a much heated debate or subject.
A few reactions. 1) The European pagans were not nationalists. While the Abrahamic religions might make transnational ties and connections, the European pagans were prenational, regional, local cults. And they certainly wouldn’t ‘fit’ nations as currently bordered. 2) Europe, as nations, which were not fixed things even after nations started forming, had a huge Greek influence. And while Greece is in Europe, the set of beliefs coming out of there were quite different from, say, what the Celts believed. And then there was Rome with its retake on Greek ideas, and even before it was Christianized it was imperial and considered the rest of Europe barbaric. The Greeks of course came up with the term and used it not only for ‘other Europeans’ but even for other Greek cities - since they were city focused and not nation focused. 3)There is a cart before the horse, to me, in deciding I will believe religion X because it is good for my politics. I can see being challenged to face contradictions between my political and religious beliefs, but Hey, become pagan because it is good for your nationalism, is like saying to a Native American living in a US city to believe in animism because it is good for his tribe. It’s an instrumental approach to something that is not merely and perhaps not at all instrumental in CAUSE. 4) There is something odd in addressing Europeans while suggesting they all become nationalists. I could see appealing to Germans, but the appeal to a transnational group to be nationalists makes it seem to late. 6) The Europeanization of Jesus is ridiculous, that he was presented as this very pale, perhaps Aryan, perhaps Celtic guy. That said, we are post tribal and there are good aspects to this. That we can choose from beliefs from beyond our local area is something that pretty much anyone wanting to fully come to themselves must do, and you can see examples in your own writing, which is filled with ideas from beyond what Germanic pagans would have considered OK or rational. That someone should restrict their beliefs to things that their ancestors would have believed or would even fit with their ancestor’s Weltanschauung is very limiting. I am not Christian or Abrahamic for that matter, but the generalization that one should avoid beliefs due to origin is also a kind of group think. Belief as necessarily traditional constricts the individual. Even a specific paganism is a kind of cosmopolitanism against the individual finding its own best mind.
I would not really know about how neo-paganism will flourish in Europe. We shall see?
It seems that you have a plan – or maybe not… But I am not really interested in that. It’s rather your ideas on religion that I find a bit simplistic.
Judaism has been and still is a nationalistic religion. While Israel, I mean the modern state of Israel, is enormously indebted to Socialism for its foundation, what maintains it today is more connected with a reference to a common religion that seems to me quite similar to the one you advocate (and I guess that you have common enemies; besides, at the end of the day, I do not think that you are upset by the massive presence of Jews in Europe, in fact one barely notices them). And for some time, for quite some time, Christianity (Catholicism or Protestantism) has had an analogous function in Europe. It was ‘Gott mit uns’, not ‘Wotan mit uns’. Actually you’re facing 20 centuries of a religion which has undeniably shaped the modern European identity. Are you sure you’re not throwing the baby with the water?
Besides, as Moreno noted, if you pick a religion because it’s convenient, that looks more like an ideology to me.
All Abrahamic religions are universal, cosmopolitan, and centers around internationalism.
In all cases of the Bible, Talmud, and Koran their God promises his believers dominion over the entire planet in the second coming or tribulation.
Indeed, all Abrahamic religions are diametrically opposed to nationalism whereas paganism’s tribalism is the only thing compatible to a national environment.
For me it would only be logical to make paganism the new nation state religion because of this.
In Europe Christian churches are already receiving historic low attendance and I think the United States with Canada is not too far behind. In this vaccuum in the desire for a life affirming spirituality I believe paganism can fill in that void once again.
Judaism much like it’s Islamic and Christian counterparts is very internationalist. One only has to observe international Zionists circulating around the globe.
Tribalism was the precursor to Judaism. Tribalism is very different from what came after and tribe resisted nationalism and states. But hey, this is hardly a response to the points I made.
No, it’s a batching of people in a way that served certain aristocrats and religious leaders. I requires in the intoduction of bureaucracy, eminent domain type powers, and either a caste system - which is not some Nietchean merit system - and fixed leaders. IOW it is couple decidedly ongoing, endless propaganda and BS. A nation may seem more tribal when looked at in a post-nation world, but it is hardly tribal. And, as pointed out in my post above, there is something ironic about calling out all Europeans to be nationalists. This is crying we where there is no we. It is like a directive from Brussels telling each state to be more nationalistic.
Concerning Judaism both religiously and its particular national character we must understand its historical context to fully understand things. Judaism has what I like to describe as a super tribal and nationalistic identity.
When ancient Israel was destroyed by the ancient Babylonians and Romans where the Jews collectively entered the diaspora they embraced internationalism and multiculturalism. They did this largely out of pragmatic necessity.
It is because of this historical experience of theirs that they are overly represented in supporting multiculturalism, multiracialism, and internationalism in other countries even when they don’t within their own nation.
It was in ancient Babylonia where the Talmud started to appear.
Ever since ancient Rome and Babylon through the Jewish diaspora we see the emergence of a Zionist identity where the Jews through religion vowed to someday regain their nation of Israel once more.
Even before World War I and II several attempts was made by the Zionists to regain their Israeli nation state as a landless people living in a host of many nations. They even tried to persuade Napoleon Bonaparte to come to their aide with that purpose of theirs long before World War II.
With the Balfour treaty after World War II the Israeli nation was born again of course to much collateral damage and genocide against Islamic Palestinians that continues to this day.
The super nationalistic attitude of modern Jews or Israelis is this, nationalism for their own state and internationalism for everybody else since a large Jewish international banking and corporate monopoly controls most of the west currently outside of Israel. Jewish Zionist politics dominates and pervades through every modern western government.
One could argue that they do all of this to weaken other countries internally to have more control over them for their aims of global dominion.
If we read the Talmud or listen to Jewish Rabbis they claim that Israel will someday rule over all nations on earth from the nationalistic state of Israel. This is why I call Jews super nationalistic or tribalistic.
How exactly do you think nation states are born? Randomly overnight? No, a nation state is born when one tribe of people conquer other similar tribes culturally, religiously, linguistically, and racially where from that a greater tribe is born into nationhood. You seem very much against nationalism which makes me think that you’re just another globalist that would anything and everything to disband nationalism.
I am not calling for one singular nationalist identity. I hope to see a multitude of many different kinds of nationalism within each and every nation. Greek nationalism, French nationalism, Spaniard nationalism, German nationalism, English nationalism, and so on.
I do call for an alliance of nationalists from all over the world however as the threat of international globalists is such a huge threat everywhere.
If anything I am a tribalist and I see you as a like the globalists, but on a smaller, nation-sized scale. One thing I notice about the way you have posted is that you only respond to small portions of other posts and do not even necessarily respond to the points you seem to be reacting to. That makes you a kind of a waste of time to respond to. Once you toss in the - I am going to label you X (in this case globalist) because in my version of political correctness this means you are bad - type of KT bullshit, you really deserve to be ignored.
I mention that Judaism came out of tribalism, to point out that saying nationalism came out of tribalism is a meaningless argument for someone who hates Judaism. That something was present before something else does not mean that what came after is the same thing. But your response is to go into what Jewish people did after diaspora as if this was not in support of my point, given your beliefs.
So take care, have fun with the nation building and using intrumental rationality to get people to become pagans. IOW with all the ironic contradictions between method and goal.
