Religion, Islam and Sufism

Hi friends,

I could post this in any thread of those which contains more or less the same subject but i found myself unable to decide a perfect one. So, i decided to put it as a new thread.

Before talking about Islam, let us have a look at religion or spiritual schools.

The first question comes in mind is that- what is religion?

In each and every religion or renowned spiritual schools, there is a starting point which was initiated by the founder of that particular religion. That founder certainly found either a new way to reach the ultimate or if not so, he would have reached such a destination, or found a new route, which was not known earlier. After this the followers of that particular religion or spiritual school follow the same method and some of them also get the same results.

At this juncture that religion or spiritual practice is absolutely pure and perfect because it contains only what the founder had earned and learned. It is obvious that the founder would be the first leader or the head of the organization. After this, people will join him as followers. Time passes away and it is quite possible that after some generations, such a person becomes leader of the group which is not equal to the founder in terms of both knowledge and intention. There are fair chances that a new leader can give verdicts and directions in his interests in the name of religion. That’s how intrusions pollute religions.

A common person cannot challenge it because to check or correct someone, one has to be at least at par in terms of knowledge, if not better. In later stages, leaders and followers of religions use to misinterpret the verdicts of founder according to their convenience to take personal benefits. This phenomenon has been happened in all religions.

As religion becomes popular with time, it tends to found more adherents and forms a large group. Thus, it becomes necessary for the founder to lie down some general principles regarding day to day life.

So, this is to say all ancient religions offer not only wisdom and knowledge but a complete life style; from spirituality to guidelines for social aspects of life. Thus, there are two parts of them. One part is for intellectuals and spiritual scholars while the second is for folks. We have to keep this in mind otherwise the fair chances are of misinterpreting them. The essence of religions is their spiritual part, not the social guidelines as they are just complimentary.

This has happened and particularly Islam paid a very heavy price of that. Fanatics tweaked and twisted the essence of Islam and put a very bad and intruded face to it. They misunderstood the social guideline part of Islam as its crux and tried to force it on the spiritual counterpart. We all are witnessing the result of that. The real face of Islam is Sufism.

Contrary to the orthodox version, Sufism is very liberal but this does not mean that it is against rules but stresses more on intention than rules. It says that the love and affection towards Allah is more important than rituals.

Let me explain-
Let us assume that there are two Muslims and they are going to offer prayer (namaz) at Kabbah. They are friends and use to go together but they have some urgent work and so one of them decided to stay back for a while.

Now, the first one is in the hurry because prescribed time of the prayer is going to be over soon. So he is trying to perform the rituals in haste though he is very vigilant that each and every ritual should be performed exactly mentioned in the texts. In this way he completes his offering and came out from the mosque thinking that he has done his duty towards Allah and now he is focused once again on his routine life.

The second man comes late. He knew that the prescribed time is getting over but he stayed back because he wants to go to Kabbah with free mind and time as well. He reached at Kabbah but the authorities did not allow him as the prescribed time of prayer is over. He requested but they allowed him just to stay there instead. He sat there with all his sadness thinking that Allah will not forgive him. His heart filled with sorrow and frustration. He just sat there for some time looking at Kabbah and all of the sudden his eyes became wet. He stood up and came out from the mosque to ensure that nobody could saw him weeping. Now, going back and being alone, he could not able to hold himself and tears started flowing from his eyes. His sadness followed him throughout the day until he was not able to go again to the mosque with his friend and offered prayer properly.

Now, conservative version will hold that the first person is right as he has done just what should be done but there is a fault on account of second person.

On the contrary Sufism says that though the first person did not do anything wrong but he defaulted in his intention. In the case of second person Sufism holds that, even defaulting in rituals, the heart of him was connected throughout with Allah, so, according to Allah, his time of prayer will be counted from the very moment of his entrance in the mosque, till he came back again with his friend for the second time and it is many times in comparison of first one.

There is a famous saying in Sufism-

ALLAH KEEPS ACCOUNTS OF THOSE WHO KEEP ACCOUNT OF ALLAH.

This one line is more than enough to understand Sufism.

I mentioned all this because, under present circumstances, the image of Islam is very much intruded by extremists and it is considered to be very rigid, very rule based, unadjustable and even violent but it is not. Sufism is so flexible that even people from other religions are allowed to visit and offer prayers at the Dargahs (graves) of its masters. Here in India, one can find many followers of Sufi masters who come from other religions. So, it is as good or as bad any other religion. Furthermore, its Sufi vertical is very much pervasive in its literature if one tries to look into it. So, in my opinion, Sufism should be considered as a real face of Islam.

I want to put one more example forward from the Quran to understand the difference between the approaches of Sufism and orthodox Islam.

The second Surah (chapter) of Quran is named as Surah Al- Bakrah which literally means ‘the cow.’
I am quoting the English translation of the verses from 67 to 70.

  1. And (remember) when Musa (Moses) said to his people: “Verily, Allah commands you that you slaughter a cow.” They said, “Do you make fun of us?” He said, “I take Allah’s Refuge from being among Al-Jahilun (the ignorants or the foolish).”

  2. They said, “Call upon your Lord for us that He may make plain to us what it is!” He said, “He says, ‘Verily, it is a cow neither too old nor too young, but (it is) between the two conditions’, so do what you are commanded.”

  3. They said, “Call upon your Lord for us to make plain to us its colour.” He said, "He says, ‘It is a yellow cow, bright in its colour, pleasing to the beholders.’ "

  4. They said, “Call upon your Lord for us to make plain to us what it is. Verily to us all cows are alike, And surely, if Allah wills, we will be guided.”

  5. He [Musa (Moses)] said, "He says, ‘It is a cow neither trained to till the soil nor water the fields, sound, having no other colour except bright yellow.’ " They said, “Now you have brought the truth.” So they slaughtered it though they were near to not doing it.
    dar-us-salam.com/TheNobleQuran/index.html

The literal meaning of these verses is very clear that Allah asked to kill the cow which is in a good shape.

But Sufism interprets it totally differently. It says that these verses have nothing to do with cow. It says that the cow is used as a metaphor for human intellect.

Thus, ‘kill the cow’ means sacrifice your mind in the favor of Allah. ‘Neither old nor too young’ is indicating towards the ripe and mature mind as a child is unable to apprehend all this while if we leave it for too late then it would be difficult to draw it towards Allah. ‘Bright yellow color’ is used for healthy state of mind. ‘Cow neither trained to till the soil nor water the fields’ is indicating that we should draw our intellect towards Allah only when it is not busy elsewhere. It other words Sufism is saying that it is useless to pray just for formality as the tongue is pronouncing the prayer while mind roaming around.

It the same way Sufism defines the whole of Quran. The Sufi interpretation does not differ much from Vedic and Buddhist explanations of God and other aspects of spirituality.

with love,
sanjay

Moved to the Religion forum.

I should have post this in Religion in the first place.

Sorry for that.

with love,
sanjay

I wish Sufism were the face of Islam.

Some of the Sufic poetry gives goosebumps, especially (for me) The Conference of the Birds (The Bird Parliament). This and other Sufic texts are online at

sacred-texts.com/isl/index.htm

And Quakers were the face of Christianity.

Amen : Meetinghouse Quakers, not steeplehouse Quakers, who are like Baptists …

If I remember right (dubious), the Sufi were the ones promoting the slaughter of a great many people due to their infidelity.
Why would you want those as “the face” of Islam?

They’ve got a fairly long history and I’m no expert, but I don’t think this is the case. They tend to be oppressed by other portions of Islam and I believe they are much more inward focused than any other branch of Islam. The core idea is to have union with God and what other people are doing or believe is much further away. In general they are associated with tolerance.

But if you have some info otherwise, let us know.

yes, non-hierarchical, incredible room to express yourself, even without words, tolerant, anti-war violence - in general. And a real focus on experience rather than simply behavior.

I used to get into conversations and debates with a few guys on another forum long ago. One of the guys was an avid and hyper Christian fanatic. He had an unbelievable list of resource documents concerning every religion. When someone had proposed the good of Islam, he (as was typical for him) gave a flood of documents revealing what the Sufi had proposed as laws. I didn’t go to verify how much of Islam followed the Sufi, but it was very clear that they were a fanatic group of zealots, unless I am mistaken as to exactly which group was which.

They were proposing that anyone of this nature or that were to immediately be put to death as well as anyone associated with them. There is a long list of Sufi books that makes the OT look a ride at Disneyland.

And then there’s Rumi … the most read poet in America … a Sufi

I need to see some documentation. And the texts in context. IOW not just some isolated quotes, but something that indicates it is at all representative. It is a core Sufi text. Or regular instances of Sufi violence, etc.

And then there’s Jesus … the most “worshiped” individual in America.
… if you forgive the real meaning of “worship”, that is. :confused:

Consequent religions seldom reflect their founders.

Yes … Jesus wasn’t a Christian …

Or Christians aren’t very Christian. Can you define something by a different standard than its originator and worshiped idol?
If so, then Science is not scientific either.

Hi james,

My friend, you still miss the essence of OP.

Sufism is nothing but Islam. The only difference is between the orthodox followes rules only while Sufism stresses on the intention behind the rules.

So, if any one is promoting slaughter, then by definition he is not sufi, simply because his intention in not right. He may be muslim but not sufi in any case.

with love,
sanjay

Hi james,

Let me tell you that there are no saparate laws in Sufism other than Islam.

Yes, there are some different practices in different sufi orders.

V-W very wisely mentioned about Rumi. He bears the true essence of Islam.

James, we have to entirely different personalities before us to consider as a true representative of Islam. Rumi and Osama.

Some onus lies on us also. let us not leave all to muslims. We have to share some burden also.

with love,
sanjay

Check out Rabi’a Adawiya at Wiki. This Sufi saint is mentioned in Aldous Huxley’s “Perennial Philosophy” a work that examines the common denominators of the major religions, a must read for anyone interested in comparative religion. Rabi’a reads much like Christian mystics such as John of the Cross or Meister Eckhart. Her insistence is, as is stated here, on intentions of actions, not on the actions themselves. Like the Christian mystics she seeks union with the Godhead, not conventinal morality. With such a union morality takes care of itself.
Rabi’a quote (from Huxley)–
“God, if I worship Thee in fear of hell, burn me in hell. And if I worship Thee in hope of Paradise, exclude me from Paradise; but, if I worship Thee for Thine own sake, withhold not Thine everlasting Beauty.”

Well, in Chechnya, it is the face of Islam once again in that country. The Chechens had a long Sufic heritage until major Islamophobic blunders by the USSR and then the USSR meltdown, which left a vacuum which was filled by an influx of Wahhabi Muslims (Saudi Arabia). These were the guys who started the Chechen/Russian conflicts.

However, after two wars with Russia, the Sufi’s have regained power in Chechnya and reclaimed their heritage. In 2006, the Grand Mustafa in Chechnya banned Wahhabism in Chechnya, blaming the two wars with Russia and unnecessary bloodshed on the Wahhabi militants, whose brand of Islam, he declared, was antithetical to traditional Chechen Sufism. The Chechen/Russian relationship and borders are now relatively stable, with peace and new prosperity instead of bloodshed and suffering.

How did this “miracle” come about? Vladimir Putin, a practical man (if nothing else), realized that he had to accept some kind of Islam in Chechnya, and Sufism was way better for Russia than Wahhabism there, as well as being the true heritage of Chechnya.

So Putin worked on supporting Sufism in Chechnya and whacking Wahhabism there, with the thankful consent of most true Chechens. Among other measures, the border lands in Russia near Chechnya were given to Russia’s Kuban Cossacks as free land in exchange for “border patrols” with Chechnya. Their directive: Islamophobia bad, Sufis good, Wahhabis bad. Problem solved. Chechnya is once again Sufic.

I feel like celebrating! Salute to you, Kazaki:
youtube.com/watch?v=rvlzD4h0MRg

Maybe sometimes we have opportunities to be practical instead of all spiritual and/or politically correct. However, you have to be very careful and very wise when you go “practical”; in this instance, being “practical” was win-win for all concerned except the mean oppressive ruthless greedy bad guys. Has anyone ever had anything good to say about Wahhabi Islam? If so, I’ve never read it. rebecca