Obsrvr.
You mean to say that bribes are constitutional for government officials?
Ok let’s back up.
Gore vs. Bush was about Gore winning the electoral college, we’re not even talking about the popular vote here… literally the electoral college.
The Supreme Court conservatives decided to give it to Bush.
That’s when America was destroyed.
Perhaps after you learn how to quote on this board - you can argue with Wikipedia about it (and many other sources).
I don’t expect you to make rational sense so I merely state the facts.
Which is - of course - and as always - the exact opposite of the truth.
I don’t know how much you remember or know about the 2000 election. The Supreme Court 5 conservatives and 4 liberals blocked the recount in Miami-Dade county with the 5 conservatives over-ruling a recount. The recount was done and Gore won. But it wasn’t legal. Why. Because of the ruling of 5 conservatives on the Supreme Court.
As expected - you have the entire issue skewed to match the loony liberal authoritarian communists.
SCOTUS didn’t decide to give anything to anyone. The entire issue was about equal protection of voting rights within all states. SCOTUS didn’t decide who won. SCOTUS merely said that the voting process must be evenly applied. Florida had already tallied the vote and the “safe harbor” day had passed (“game over”). SCOTUS required that Florida obey their own laws regardless of who won.
I agree that Pres Bush was anti-American (as have been the last 4-5 US Presidents - except Mr Trump - which is why they promote hatred of him).
I remember what happened. FOX news, the biggest propaganda station ever to hit the US, managed by Bushes cousin at the time… had a onslaught of stories 3 months before the elections that John McCain was randomly Filled with rage (totally false story), and they started talking about GW when nobody outside of Texas knew who he was. He was suddenly the nominee for the GOP. Nobody knew anything about him. He wasn’t scrutinized.
You have to understand, his father was not only an ex president but also former head of the CIA. I’m not saying these are bad things… but the Bushes are well known Nazis - and under project paperclip the US imported all the Nazi propaganda ministers.
FOX news was brazen at the time. They’d done plenty of studies and control groups for mind control… they were confident, but they didn’t know if it’d really work.
I mean… seriously? A conservative commentary station that calls themselves “fair and balanced”?
They’re the first station that never just gave you the news.
Now everyone does it.
Anyways. GW’s cousin was station manager at the time.
Not a lot of people know that.
It was state of the art brainwashing at the time. Now everyone does it.
Do you really want to get into to Trump with me?
Let’s just start very simply… let’s take a cursory look at his psychology. 4 months before election he told the world he had a revelation from God that abortion is wrong.
Let’s delve again on the shallow side:
Trump always talks about him being a winner and he’s never a loser. My comment? If anyone in existence is losing, you’re a loser.
Let’s look at Trumps favorite station. FOX news. The state of the art propaganda station in the US.
Wow. I can talk about this for days.
Let’s go back in time. Kennedy had the election rigged by the mafia. When he was elected, him and Bobby tried to take down all mafias in the US.
They hated him and Bobby. They not only gave Kennedy and Bobby all the pussy they could dream of, they literally gave him the presidency.
So because he turned against them. They’re both dead now.
Trump is from a half billion dollar New Jersey real estate fortune from his father. New Jersey … are you kidding me? His father was 100% mobbed up.
That’s what Trump inherited. What’s funny about Trump is if he’d not invested his money, but left it in CD’s or just normal interest rates… he’d have doubled his money… he’s actually in debt. That’s how ‘great’ of a business man he is. But the mob will support his image as long as he looks away.
One thing Trump has is fame. That’s valuable to a mob controlled broke ass man.
So how does this relate to roe v. wade?
Trump doesn’t care. He just knew evangelical Christians would vote him in.
People always say Trump is a narcissist blah, blah.
I don’t even think he cares about himself.
He, like any propagandist, just says what he needs to say based on statistics.
I actually don’t think there’s a Trump left or in there.
He’s just a statistic robot.
Sad convos at school today. Should educate all individuals to rightly divide the truth & cut this & all other things straight.
And stop lying about it being of, for, and by the people until we do.
Fricken sad.
Michelle Goldberg in the NYT:
'In his draft opinion overturning Roe v. Wade, Justice Samuel Alito blamed that 1973 abortion decision for sparking “a national controversy that has embittered our political culture for a half century.” He quoted Justice Antonin Scalia: “Roe fanned into life an issue that has inflamed our national politics in general, and has obscured with its smoke the selection of justices to this court in particular, ever since.”
So, what does the controversy swirl around? The law? The Constitution? But how do conflicts here not swirl around politics? And how do political conflagrations not swirl [finally] around conflicting moral agendas.
Today many on the left insist that the Supremes are attempting to impose their own political prejudices on the nation. But then back in the 60s and 70s that is precisely what those on the right insisted the Supremes were doing as well.
And, in my view, both sides are absolutely right.
After all, where in the U.S. Constitution does it specifically note that abortions are either constitutional or unconstitutional. And even in regard to an issue like owning guns the wording is hopelessly ambivalent.
And it’s not like there is an actual extant God around to settle it. Or a scientific proof. Or a philosophical argument that at least provides us with the most rational manner in which guide legislators in the act of passing laws.
Nope. It’s all about your own personal opinion. Which I then root in dasein.
And at least most here are able to settle down into a moral and political conviction itself. At least they are not “fractured and fragmented” about it all as “I” am.
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Iambiguous do you think the 3/5ths clause was objective or subjective?
When it was changed by an amendment… do you think that was objective or subjective?
Are blacks 3/5ths of a person or a whole person?
For the second time… I pulled a card from the bottom of your house of cards and the whole thing came crashing down.
You realize I can do this for all your ‘arguments’ right?
Just out of curiosity, given your “condition” [and before you leave us of course], do you believe that for some here abortion ought to have been mandatory? 
Interesting. There was a 10 year old girl raped in India about 5 years ago, and she was forced to have the child by adults.
But now you’re asking … should adults usurp someone retarded who desires their child knowing it will have a horrible life when the retarded person doesn’t understand things like that?
Personally, nobody should be having sex. Am I stopping them? No.
Mentally retarded people have rights.
Doesn’t that contradict your “Noone should violate anyone’s consent unless they started it first”?
In this particular case, you seem to be fine with mothers violating the consent of their unborn babies. Presumably, you agree that unborn babies are innocent, so doesn’t that contradict your philosophy?
Kropotkin is really only interested in bashing conservatives. Every thread he starts he spends more time furiously bashing conservatives than discussing the subject he himself set.
Magnus.
You don’t obviously follow me on ILP like a fan would.
I’m not interested in fans.
I’ll make this as simple as simple could be.
Iambiguous even conceded this argument in print on ILP.
I can show you the post.
I put iambiguous in a corner with no escape.
Here’s how the consent problem is solved with abortion.
Walk around and ask adults if they’d sacrifice 2 seconds of suffering to make their mothers life better if they could travel back in time if they had the choice to abort or not abort you.
Anyone with a conscience would say… “I love my mother, I’d let her abort me”
Anyone who doesn’t say that, hates their mother.
Hates the world. What if the whole world doesn’t want you born here?
The only people we really want here is people who care about their mother’s better life or the better life of everyone.
The rest? Nobody wants here.
Nobody truly wants anti abortionists to exist here.
They hate their mothers and they hate the world.
You are asking the wrong people. You should be asking the unborn babies. And I’m pretty sure they’d tell you – as they already do, non-verbally of course – that they do not want to die. Obviously, unborn babies not only hate their mothers, they also hate the entire world; and if nobody really wants people who hate the entire world, it follows that nobody really wants babies.
And if you ask those mother’s if they love the grandmother - and the grandmother of the great grandmother and so on — ?
If we love the world we must exterminate all mothers - all women? 
That is some serious “love” there. 
Michelle Goldberg in the NYT:
'Very soon, if the Supreme Court really discards Roe and Planned Parenthood v. Casey, the 1992 decision partly upholding it, we will have two wildly different abortion regimes in this country. About half of states are expected to mostly prohibit abortion; according to the Guttmacher Institute, in 11 states there won’t even be exemptions for rape and incest. A bill moving through the Louisiana Legislature would allow prosecutors to charge those having abortions with homicide.
Now, for those who are opposed to abortion, let’s imagine that two to three years from now Republicans take control of both the Congress and the White House here in America. They pass laws that prohibit all abortions. No exceptions.
A woman that you know has an abortion. What will you do? Will you turn her in? Will she be deemed by you to be a murderer? If convicted in a trial and found guilty, should she be sent to prison…to death row?
And if she was raped and impregnated, no difference? After all, the unborn human life developing in her womb is no less innocent. She should also be incarcerated along with the man who raped her? And even given a stiffer sentence because at least the rapist didn’t take her life.
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Alright you two.
Magnus and Obsrvr.
Why is it so important for earth to exist or exist with life?
A woman can have about 50 children each in a single lifetime.
Is she an abortionist for only having one child?
No children?
I am that fetus. My mom can go back in time and abort me ANY time she wants. I am that fetus talking.
We’re all spirit anyways. You cannot destroy life by destroying or refusing to have babies.
You can’t even bring new life here.
All of us were never born and never die.
Now. If you piss spirits off. Depends on the circumstances… perhaps.