Here is a great rundown of the one issue that drives all rightwing ideology and policy: cheap labor. Enjoy.
That is certainly the drive behind the latest attacks on minimum wages and one fool’s
attack on child labor laws. Seriously, he thinks that laws on child labor is unconstitutional.
A quick perusal of history shows us that the wealthy became really, really wealthy, once
they got cheap labor in their factories. Think slaves working in factories and then you have
a sense of the wealth they amassed via cheap labor.
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Wow. It’s been a long time since I have read that much crap in one place.
In fact, conservatives and many others do complain about deficits.
Correct.
Naked propaganda. it’s presented as the obvious ramification of the previous two sentences. it’s just not.
That’s an odd thing to say, since most businesses are gladly off-loading their insurance plans when they can. health insurance is a big expense for businesses, and so they are taking advantage of the new rules, which allow them to stop offering it.
I could go on - but this is just the basest of propaganda. The writer “knows” the “real” motives of conservatives, and so paints every scenario to fit that motive.
It’s really beneath comment, but I had nothing aelse to do for a minute.
I am not a conservative, by the way.
I just abhor this kind of mindless garbage.
This is true. In the UK, the main justification for the austerity measures is to cut the deficit.
But it’s not true though. Conservatives would just as readily argue for debt if they were defending their usury of African nations, for example. Everyone in the UK can clearly see it’s just an excuse to shift taxes from businesses to workers, and to cut public spending so that private business will fill the gap. Few who voted them in wanted this though - protests have sky-rocketed and unrest is definitely brewing.
A basic understanding of Capitalism, not to mention personal experience, will show you that it does follow from the previous two sentences.
Cut public spending so private business can fill the gap → private business demands maximised profit whatever the business does → work is concentrated into as few people as possible to save on expenses.
This is enhanced harshness that the ideology would push even further if it could get away with it - that ought to be pushed by virtue of the ideology itself.
I just abhor the laziness of “non-conservatives” who just lap up and regurgitate the mindless garbage that authorities placate them with. Problems are growing whether you refuse to see them or not.
Not here, they wouldn’t. Many conservatives - most of them, grumble about the money Dubya spent on that war. Not publicly - but that’s politics.
I’m not going to argue your personal experience, but conservatives don’t have a monopoly on capitalism - not in the US.
Nyet. Cut public spending on social programs because most of it goes to bureaucrats and social workers and not to the people who need the help. This is well-documented in the US welfare system, as is the motivation by a liberal Democrat - Lyndon Johnson, when he ramped up that system in the New Deal to quell race riots. It was a hugely expensive bandaid that bred generations of welfare families. Even Clinton saw this. Welfare reform started in places like Wisconsin - one of the most liberal states in the US. The point was not for private business to fill the gap - it was to stop spending money in ways that actually harmed people.
Stop funding the National Endowment for the Arts - the Arts are very much alive and well in the US and we don’t need to fund them publicly. Stop funding National Public Radio - they have huge budgets and with all the other news sources available, there is no need to tax the people. These people are, in part, working class people.
Get the fuck out of the education business. Bobby Kennedy did a great thing in Alabama, but like every other fed program, it’s become a monster. Ask any teacher in the US - it has gotten worse for them, because of the federal mandates. And the federal money. The fact is that Dubya was not a conservative - he was just the best thing they had at the time. The power brokers in this country were helpless - it was the bighaired soccer moms of the Bible Belt that put him in power. If the fascist corporations were really in control, they’d be doing things a fuckload differently, I assure you.
I don’t know British Politics, but I know US politics and I know more than the basics of capitalism.
Some problems are always growing and some are always abating. Try to get past platitudes and we’ll talk.
The article is not a propaganda piece, just the opposite. If in fact anyone thinks it is, that just shows how well the real propaganda has worked. The rightwing agenda is about cheap labor. If you think it isn’t, you’re just not paying attention. Just look at the way corporations do business in other countries, and at the way they’re going after unions and public sector services. They are trying to break the back of labor everywhere. They even create deficits and bust budgets in order to set people up for job losses, big pay cuts, and the loss of entitlements and rights protections.
But don’t worry, enough people are fooled by this system, that they will vote to keep it in place, even against their own best interests.
That’s the best you’ve got?
Really, the right wing is far more evil than that - there’s all manner of nefarious items on their agenda. I think that article is a puff piece on the right wing designed to distract us from the rest of their agenda.
How neutralising. Some grow, some abate - but in what proportion?
And in what way.
Even if in balance, being told things are getting better when they aren’t just opens your eyes to the situation being merely maintained - that situation being wage labour and exploitation for the overwhelming majority. It’s not great - I guess you wouldn’t know, being an entrepreneur. But you’re in the massive minority you know.
Things may be less exploitative than during the industrial revolution, the feudal age and in ancient times, but that really doesn’t mean that everything’s been sorted. And it won’t be under Capitalism because… it can’t - it relies on exploitation of the masses in order to survive.
Cheap Labour - more right wing oppression.
Of course they did, whining about taxes making their profits slightly less.
But it was a war for them so it would be imprudent to grumble in public - they need the growth that the war was for. Expanding global markets under the name of freeing and democratising, and gaining increased access to the increased fuel that growing economies need - if they’re Capitalist.
Again, it’s the unofficial Government-Capitalist coalition that makes it Fascism - concentrating power to those who need to find new and innovative ways to increasingly exploit under the radar. This falls directly within conservative ideology and it is more prevalent in the U.S. than possibly any 1st world country - it’s all proportional to the level of Capitalism in effect.
Yes, privatise all the media… - that’s conservativism gone scary. All power to tend to the richest who can buy everyone out - like Rupert Mudoch is doing in the U.K. Already mostly happened in the U.S. - let me tell you, a foreigner watching U.S. tv finds it absolutely horrifying.
Apparently too much money going to bureaucrats and social workers is only solvable by privatisation. Wrong.
That kinda thing happens in both “public” institutions that are untransparent and private institutions that are even more opaque.
Dubya’s not a conservative. Wow, that’s rich.
It was the bighaired soccer mom’s of the Bible Belt who were the biggest suckers of Fascist spin.
This level of Fascism currently in effect is just the optimal amount that they can get away with at the moment - things are being eased through all the time though, under cover of the odd thing being lifted - they must do for its favourite tool, Capitalism to survive.
But as the majority increasingly outnumber the few in power, top-down command becomes relatively less powerful, less and less people are standing for it.
Transparency and bottom-up power is called for by the increasing number who realise things are awry.
I have spent the better part of my working life as an employee. Way to assume. Again.
Every system does. That word “exploitation” is a hot-button term, but it represents a process that is neither good nor evil. We exploit opportunities - that doesn’t mean we’re unfair to opportunities.
Fuel? Iraqi oil is the most expensive oil in the history of the world. We could have bought in on the open market for pennies on the dollars we spent on the war. I’m not sure what companies, besides Haliburton, were salivating over gaining Iraq as a market. Surely none thought it worth the price. You;re saying that big business is at once evil, greedy and very stupid. If they’re that stupid, again, we have nothing to fear.
We were founded as a nation with just this in mind. It was all about commerce. But Communism and Socialism wed business and government. This is a strawman.
What is scary? Aren’t scared when a government controls the media? The difference is that there is only one government and many private owners of media. The power is spread out - that’s what counts - not the moral standing of the owners.
The actual facts are that media is owned by more individual entities than ever before. TV is only a small part of it, and no longer the most influential.
No - it’s solvable by eliminating many of the functions of those social workers entirely. There’s a myth, that you are perpetuating, that everything the government now does is necessary in the first place.
And there we have it - what you cannot demonstrate, you claim is a big secret that only a select few know about, and that you are part of that select few.
It didn’t take long to get you there.
It is much more elaborate, sophisticated and complex than just cheap labor: it is a huge monolithic brainwashing of billions of people on some kind of imagined metaphysical necessity for society to be organized as it is, on some imagined model, like a bible or religion, on some kind of laws of physics that society and economy must follow.
They start out with the myth of “competition”, of being “better” than another person. This starts in school, starts at a young age, etc. There are obvious differences in people, some are really better than others, it will always be this way, there is no problem with this. But the way the brainwashing is performed, is to make the fact that someone is better a justification to any and all the arrogance the “better” can perform (when then in all truth most of the really better people are humble, modest, altruistic, because they already have a lot of confidence and inner strength, they know they have talent or skills or whatever that is missing in the majority of the poor average slobs). It justifies any amount of extra money they can have. Someone better already knows, and society already knows, ahead of time, that they will mostly make it well in life, because they have natural talent or personality or whatever. But the system has a desperate need to emphasize this as much as possible, to show off how “superior” person A is compared to millions of normal slobs. Therefore you have the Bill Gates myth, the Steve Jobs myth, the Startup myths etc.
And, since most capitalist and rich really know deep inside that their wealth is mostly completely robbed from the many unsuspecting poor slobs, it is actually the rich and capitalists and right wing thugs that have a deep guilt complex. So they attack even more, they constantly bombard the population with their propaganda on all of the perceived benefits millions of poor slobs have compared to the “great employer who is creating so much work and well being to their workers”, they try to frame themselves as poor victims to the “unions”, to “the taxes they have to pay”, to the “labor”, that is always, remember always, lazy, not innovative, evil, corrupt, you name it.
This conditions the minds of millions and billions, it programs their neural networks, just like a computer, to have a precise response given a precise set of inputs. So you have millions hating on other millions of poor slobs because “there are not enough resources available (resource scarcity myth)”, they have “too many sick days”, they “make too much”( by the way, the fact that some federal employees in the US make 100,000 dollars was surely a very clever trick of the right wing thugs to show how bad those employees are, how much money they are hogging up, this was a precise intentionality to create a “war amongst the poor”), they have “too many kids”, you name it.
The truth is very simple, and no one wants to state it and look at it straight in the face for what it is:
[b]1) WE LIVE IN A TECHNOLOGICAL ECONOMY THAT NO LONGER NEEDS MUCH REAL PRODUCTIVE LABOR. THIS PROCESS WILL CONTINUE, THE NEED FOR REAL PRODUCTIVE LABOR WILL CONSTANTLY DECREASE, THERE IS NOTHING ANYONE CAN DO ABOUT IT, THIS IS MOSTLY INDEPENDENT OF ANY NATION OR POLITICAL SYSTEM SINCE IT IS A MACRO TREND, WITH NO ONE IN CONTROL, OF TECHNOLOGY AND SCIENCE APPLIED TO ALL PRODUCTIVE ENDEAVORS WORLDWIDE.
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GLOBALIZATION HAS INTRODUCED MILLIONS OF NEW WORKERS, MANY WITH COLLEGE DEGREES, THIS WILL JUST EXASPERATE THIS SITUATION OF EVERYBODY FIGHTING EVERYONE ELSE OVER BREADCRUMBS EVEN MORE.
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NO AMOUNT OF INNOVATION, EDUCATION OR ANY OTHER OF THE HUNDREDS OF FALSE CONCEPTS THE RIGHT WING PROPAGANDA HAS BEEN FEEDING THE MASSES WILL CHANGE ANY OF THIS: IN ALL TRUTH MORE INNOVATION AND EDUCATION WILL ELIMINATE EVEN MORE WORK, THE VERY DEFINITION OF INNOVATION IS TO MAKE THINGS WITH LESS INPUT, HENCE LESS LABOR.
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I could go on and on, as I have been doing on blogs and forums (I know I am pushing on a string), but the mathematical and logical solution to this situation is:
[b]1) A BASIC FREE SALARY ALONG SIDE HUGE PRIVATE - PUBLIC PROJECTS TO HIRE THE HUGE AMOUNT OF IDLE LABOR AVAILABLE WORLDWIDE.
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CHEAP RENTS, EMPHASIS ON RENTING AND NO LONGER ON HOME OWNERSHIP (another subtle system to bring people inside a right wing mentality, I have “my property” to protect, I need my rifle to shoot all those enemies of mine out there, all those lazy welfare queens, and union workers, etc.)
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FREE BASIC HEALTH CARE FOR ALL. IF SOMEONE WANTS HIS PRIVATE HEALTH CARE, GO AHEAD AND BUY IT, THE FREE MARKET ALLOWS ANYONE TO SELL ANYTHING. THIS IS THE SYSTEM THAT EXISTS IN EUROPE, JAPAN, CANADA. BASIC FREE HEALTH CARE BY GOVERNMENT, PRIVATE HEALTH IF YOU WANT TO BUY IT.
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You wouldn’t believe how much idle labor is out there worldwide, how many young people worldwide would almost work for free, and with great efficiency (I have seen) just to have something to do. There is so much potential available, but everyone is brainwashed on the idea that people are lazy: this is the greatest lie of all, most people would love to work and even a lot if they were put in the conditions to do it. The “People are Lazy” myth, you could open an entire analysis just on this huge BS myth…
It is way harder to “not work” than it is to work, it is much more stressing not to be in some kind of productive endeavor, bored, idle, with too much time on your hands, then it is to work in a factory.
We need hobby factories where people can do 1 or 2 or 3 hours of work for the fun, I am sure you could build an entire country up from scratch in a year. A hobby factory is where a person comes in and works an hour on an assembly line to help manufacture a car, train, rocket, you name it.
Other myths include, they “worked hard” for it: the “hard work” myth. People would perform hard work because they like it, and you can find many many people willing to in all productive endeavors. The hard work myth is a translation that goes: since you don’t work as “hard as me”, you are a lazy slob and deserve to be punished. And as far as the “as hard as me” part is concerned, the sky is the limit, or a race towards the bottom, everyone hating on everyone else in the name of how much more they deserve because of their “hard work”.
Another myth, it is “human nature”. So with this idea, that human nature is what it is, you can be as violent and aggressive and egotistical as you want, it is only “natural”. Another lie, civilization is based on rules, and on the control of instincts, not on people expressing their hate on others. And then, man is the infinitely programmable machine as I have said, man, his mind, behaviors and society can be programmed into any possible configuration imaginable, there is no limit on how society can be programmed. The human nature myth is bogus, is just an easy excuse to hog up everything on behalf of the capitalists.
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Right Wing Thug says:
"Big fucking’ deal. So you take all of the rich’s riches. And lets assume that as you say, all of the states deficits are put to rest. What does one do next year. Remember, you already took all of the rich’s money. The deficits that you fixed for this year will all start mounting again because you only put a band-aid on the cause for one-fucking-year.
State and national deficits have come about from over-promising circuses and cakes. Until entitlements are restructured we will have this fiasco hanging over our heads. Tax the rich? Be my guest…but it won’t solve our problems."
I answer:
Hey, fkwed, fktard, dipsht, moron, there are 10 million of the richest families worldwide that have more than 100 trillion dollars stashed away in banks, hedges, you name it, and 100 million poor slob workers worldwide that are unemployed, underemployed, paid slave wage salaries, you name it. So guess what ? since the name of the game is FIGHT, STICK EM, STICK EM, FIGHT (as the capitalist, free market ideology loves to emphasize so much) those 100 million slobs are going to kick the asses of those 10 million families, get back all the money that has been and is continually being robbed, outright robbed from these poor slobs by keeping them idle, by crushing them with unemployment, by sticking it to them in all ways, and has been for decades, because they are not “competitive” or have the right “skill set”, and taking away their health kare (in the US at least). Money doesn’t even exist and so can’t run out since it is simply a social relationship, don’t believe in the debts myth, the future entitlements myth, etc. there will always be everything available to everyone if the right wing slobs and friends don’t hog it all up as usual. Now, blow me.
I will never stop to repeat:
1) The present day Technological Economy no longer needs much real productive labor, it has been automated, optimized, you name it. This has been done intentionally to keep out of work and a salary as many people as possible worldwide (and notice I say worldwide, because even if there is some city in Germany that has full employment, it is because there are 100 cities in the US, Brazil, India or wherever(Libya) that have no employment, get it ?) and hog up as much profit as possible. In essence a huge worldwide theft of the grandest and deepest degree ever.
2) For this reason, we need a free basic salary worldwide, and free basic health care, and cheap rents. The economic system is so rich that it could easily give these basic unalienable rights, human rights in the most real and fullest sense ever, to everyone.
3) There is no resource scarcity, these are right wing myths, we can do everything with all kinds of technologies, social organizations, you name it. We also have a huge potential labor pool that is being kept idle,just hobby factories where people could come in and do a 1 or 2 or 3 hour shift building rockets, trains, BUSES, skyscrapers, you name it, would produce even more wealth beyond anyone’s wildest dreams.
nameta9, thank you for bringing up the subject of competititon. That is one of the big bugbears that drives so much stress and distress among people and groups in this dysfunctional world we live in. There are so many memes and assumptions that we are conditioned to believe and accept practically from the time we’re born, if not before… and one is that we have to compete and judge ourselves and be judged by some rule or standard that somehow makes it possible to compare. That competitive bar can be set very high, too, as today’s young people are attesting. And the criteria for normality and success keeps growing as the fields narrow for spots in the good schools or jobs.
People have forgotten what it means to learn and grow at one’s own pace; to strive to achieve personal bests without worrying about how it compares to others, just for the satisfaction itself; and the wonderful feeling that comes with including everyone who wants to participate in an activity or cooperative endeavour, with each person happily doing whatever their best may be without being judged or compared. I feel as though everyone is doing their best wherever they are in life, and it would be such a wonderful world if we could all appreciate ourselves and others just for who we are and the great feeling of connectedness and fun we have when working together. What a life that would be!
Interestingly enough, what you just said is a strawman. Communism and Socialism are stateless.
It’s Social Democracy that weds business and government.
The power is spread out amongst the Capitalists who collectively own the media - who may have all sorts of moral standings, but they all have one in common.
They may as well be a totalitarian government that is made up of all sorts of people with different moral standings - but the control of their citizens in common.
Power being spread out is what I’m after. At the moment we get what we’re given in accordance only to what and who gets the most money out of the money put in. If this means being extremely selective in what is pumped through the media, and in what way, then that’s what happens. Typically this waters down any interesting content in order to be the most inoffensive to the greatest majority and the most conservative for Capitalism, as long as it’s still watched - and it is watched because the wage labouring majority lap up pointless brainwashing t.v. just to wind down from unnecessarily exhausting days at their Capitalist workplace… a perfect harmony.
It doesn’t matter if loads of people own a particular form of media if they all have the same interests, that still tends towards huge distortions.
Actual variation and unbiased content comes from non-top-down arrangements, actual freedom.
The word means making use of something for yourself - which is fine for inanimate objects (as long as the use is sustainable) and concepts like opportunities, but using people is a different story. An opportunity doesn’t have feelings and feel hurt if you use it without sufficient mutual benefit, but if you use someone to get more out of them than they get, or in a way they don’t like - this is hurtful, humans have feelings. They may begrudgingly accept things if they see no other way, but the hurt hasn’t gone away just because they agree.
They’re not stupid, just greedy - but not necessarily because they’re inherently greedy people, but because Capitalism demands it. “Evil” doesn’t come into it. Although it is stupid to just go along with a stupid practicality just because it’s only practical in the short term - though we do have to fear their stupidity if not enough other people understand it well enough to do anything about it.
The war was an investment. Now it would have been cheaper to buy oil from what they already had, but that won’t last as supply decreases and demand increases due to Capitalism’s need to grow (even if beyond its current means) in order to survive. If there was no need to grow just for the sake of upholding the economic system, there would be much less necessity to go to war in order to expand the future market.
I’m sure there was more to it than this, but if you think government okayed the war just because they’re government then you’re more than a little misguided. If you think they were involved in troups going to war for no economic gain, and in fact for a substantial economic loss - perhaps just to be nice to people by forcing their country to be democratic, they’re you’re also more than a little misguided.
In the textbooks, maybe. Not in real life.
So why do you keep picking on capitalists? Capitalists have feelings, too.
Nice story. No facts. What a surprise.
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Right Wing Thug says:
OldEight,
I notice the latest and greatest phrase in your repertoire is you name it. For example, this sentence from your latest post:
more than 100 trillion dollars stashed away in banks, hedges, you name it, and 100 million poor slob workers worldwide that are unemployed, underemployed, paid slave wage salaries, you name it.
It has surpassed Simple Buses and Trillions of Skyscrapers.
What’s the story?"
I answer:
Hey, stick, dipstic, dipweed, and you can guess the rest, the story is since you have nothing to say about my ideas, since you have no way to counter them, you attack these petty parts of it. Actually no one has ever challenged even a little part of what I say because it is so over their heads and so true it is almost blinding:
No one can challenge the real effect technology, science and innovation are having on all productive endeavors namely rendering labor more and more unnecessary and not needed;
no one can challenge the fact that money is simply a make believe invention, a place holder, not a fixed amount that “runs out”, but a denotation of social relationships, of simply relationships between people and groups of people, hence it can’t run out, is in fact infinite;
no one can challenge the fact that living in large skyscrapers where you have offices or laboratories or wherever the “work” will be performed in the future on one floor (I actually think there will no longer really be much of any work in the future, but even work is simply a social relationship just like money so can be infinite and can’t run out so to say, but anyways…), homes on another floor and stores or whatever on another floor would render all modes of transportation not even needed anymore (hence the resource scarcity myth completely breaks down, you don’t even need oil);
no one can challenge the fact that without a very articulate and dense BUS system throughout the USA, any passenger train system is totally worthless, etc;
no one can challenge the fact that a home is just a box you use to live in, home ownership is not a metaphysical law of physics, is not the only possible way to organize living arrangements, and cheap rents would go a long way on increasing the standard of living of most people;
no one can ever challenge the fact that free basic health care with the option that anyone can buy any private parts they want, as they are “Free Markets” (free as in you can choose and not free as in the US, I can deny you health because you don’t work) and as is practiced in JAPAN, South Korea, Germany, Canada, etc. is a much smarter system then the american cluskterfuck private pig hog up all system, etc.
I could go on and on, but you get what I am saying…
Except it’s way more than 100 million now.
It doesn’t matter what the number is, it could be trillions or trillions of trillions, the fact is both money and work are essentially social relationships, they are social contracts, social engagements, social behaviors. Since money and work can be infinite according to how people engage each other, what they decide to do, what is decided collectively, there is no limit and no problem, and given the present level of technology and knowledge in all fields (after all, all those college studies and graduates in the last 50 years have produced a huge body of work explaining how economies, societies and sociologies can work, how many possibilities are present if they are desired, etc.) there is no resource scarcity.
The only scarcity is political and in the imagination. Most in the first world cannot imagine any other possible living arrangement that is even just 1 % different from the USA of 1960: we are all (USA, EU and JAPAN) essentially stuck with a model of life and economy that is way past its time.
We can’t accept the fact that we have a huge idle labor pool worldwide (globalization works in both directions, in the direction of the employers and corporations but also in the direction of the common slob that can buy cheap crap at WalMart, etc.), we have the possibility to construct hundreds of skyscrapers (as “communist” China is currently doing and they still are considered third world), we can automate factory work with robots, etc.
The real problem is simply cultural - psychological: we are stuck with a stone age mentality of competition and everyone against everyone else, when it is really no longer needed or necessary: what is necessary today are huge collective programs and projects, space colonization, further automation of factories, hobby factories to keep millions of idle workers of all ages (from 15 to 95 years old, and you will find thousands and thousands at both age limits willing to work for fun) occupied for the common good, for an abstract - metaphysical goal of mind over matter that is more valuable than just your personal McMansion and the fact that you personally have more money than most of the common slobs.
Now, back to the future: we will develop pills that will eliminate all thoughts (relaxing and emptying your minds), will kill any and all emotions (therefore no more fighting and sticking it to each other, an emotion free life), pills that will erase all your memories, we need the robots to do all our living and thinking and emotioning and working, we can live in a complete void of metaphysical bliss with no thoughts, emotions or memories. And then we will have all the huge Instant Technological Singularities where minds will be hardwired differently, we will pour all kinds of wild chemicals in the ball of meat that is the brain, we will create trillions of emotions - sense organs -virtual worlds - virtual experiences (which are real anyways since information is only relationships) and so on.
And trillions of skyscrapers, trillions of computers, highways across galaxies, giant cadillacs travelling across jupiter, and more and more, Sun split in two, we open the sun and grap all its energy (there goes down the toilet your puny peak oil theories), and giant universe size brains experiencing technological singularities. Go for it obama, CHANGE YOU CAN BELIEVE IN, GO FOR IT MAN, JUST DO IT !!!
Now, sitck and tootsie and all you ftards, fweeds, morons, sue me and blow me.
Lol yeah one political polarity is the problem.
Certainly not the fact that there is a polarity.
That is both true in some cases and not true in others. There are actual scarcity problems with food and water in many places these days, due to various factors including: climate change, wars, revolts, and market speculation and manipulation.
I want to talk about the way the fear or threat of scarcity affects people. It makes them crazy. They literally cannot think around it well enough to figure out the best way to deal with it. Instead they either start hoarding and taking, or else start giving up and dying. Neither of these reactions is useful or workable to solve the problem.
This is what memes like rugged individualism, divisionism, and a dualistic attitude towards nature result in, a me for mine attitude as opposed to a one for all, all for one solution, which ultimately is the only way to go.