# Save Our American Troops!
**URL:** https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/save-our-american-troops/36947
**Category:** Society, Government, and Economics
**Created:** [September 24, 2013, 11:30pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/save-our-american-troops/36947 "2013-09-24T23:30:28Z")
**Posts on this page:** 7
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### Author:  [@Tyrannus](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Tyrannus)
#### Post date: [September 27, 2013, 5:10am UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/save-our-american-troops/36947/21 "2013-09-27T05:10:31Z")
> [@James S Saint](#):
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> > Heroism exists, does it? What is heroism? What is a hero?
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> Someone who has the courage to do what needs doing despite the danger.
That isn’t saying much. That’s very vague.
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### Author:  [@phyllo](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/phyllo)
#### Post date: [September 27, 2013, 1:18pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/save-our-american-troops/36947/22 "2013-09-27T13:18:36Z")
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> Heroism exists, does it? What is heroism? What is a hero?
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> What is heroic? I stand by my propaganda mythology of the state argument.
There are three elements of a heroic act.
1. Benefit - Someone other than the hero benefits greatly (or potentially benefits) from the act
2. Risk - There is personal danger to the hero
3. Choice - The act is chosen freely by the hero and can be avoided
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> In fact, what is a just war?
Is there a just action for an individual? Is an individual ever justified in using violence?
A just war is an extension of just actions by individuals.
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### Author:  [@Stoic\_Guardian](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Stoic_Guardian)
#### Post date: [September 27, 2013, 2:29pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/save-our-american-troops/36947/23 "2013-09-27T14:29:41Z")
Well said.
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### Author:  [@Jakob](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Jakob)
#### Post date: [September 27, 2013, 3:58pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/save-our-american-troops/36947/24 "2013-09-27T15:58:03Z")
> [@Stoic Guardian](#):
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> > Sending the Soldiers into Russia, especially know the history of Campaigns in Russia, taking into account the several front war the Germans were waging, was not taking care of the Soldiers.
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> Imlplying having soldiers fight wars is = to not taking care of them.
Invading Russia is obviously not just “fighting war”.
The only effective strategy against Russia is political subversion, transforming leadership from inside. They attempted that with/“under” Yeltsin. That failed, strictly because one guy, Putin, happened to be understimated by his superiors. Now, Russia is going to be the last superpower standing, if Fukushima doesn’t make the whole northern hemisphere entirely useless.
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> > These and other poor decisions by the National Socialists did not lead to prosperity.
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> Losing a war usually doesn’t.
And invading Russia usually doesn’t lead to anything besides losing a war.
Engaging an enemy you can only conquer if God happens to step in is simply bad leadership.
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### Author:  [@Jakob](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Jakob)
#### Post date: [September 27, 2013, 4:04pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/save-our-american-troops/36947/25 "2013-09-27T16:04:10Z")
" What is a hero?"
To whom?
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> hero (n.1)
> late 14c., “man of superhuman strength or physical courage,” from Latin heros “hero,” from Greek heros “demi-god” (a variant singular of which was heroe), originally “defender, protector,” from PIE root \*ser- “to watch over, protect” (cf. Latin servare “to save, deliver, preserve, protect;” see observe). Meaning “man who exhibits great bravery” in any course of action is from 1660s. Sense of “chief male character in a play, story, etc.” first recorded 1690s. First record of hero-worship is from 1774.
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> A hero (heroine for a female) (Ancient Greek: ἥρως, hḗrōs), in Greek mythology and folklore, was originally a demigod, their cult being one of the most distinctive features of ancient Greek religion.[1] A demigod is the son or daughter from one immortal and one mortal parent, an example would be Heracles, son of the mortal queen Alcmene and the god Zeus.[2] Later, hero (male) and heroine (female) came to refer to characters who, in the face of danger and adversity or from a position of weakness, display courage and the will for self sacrifice—that is, heroism—for some greater good of all humanity. This definition originally referred to martial courage or excellence but extended to more general moral excellence.
It’s relatively recent that heroism has anything to do with helping another person. In classical terms, a hero can be a warrior who goes out on his own, walks into an enemy city and kills everyone in it. Showing off might be the only purpose.
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### Author:  [@Mr\_Reasonable](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Mr_Reasonable)
#### Post date: [September 27, 2013, 4:49pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/save-our-american-troops/36947/26 "2013-09-27T16:49:46Z")
A hero is someone who comes along, with the strength to carry on, and who makes you cast your fears aside, and then you know you can survive. Like…when you feel like hope is gone, and you look inside you and be strong, and you finally see the truth, that a hero lies in you…
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### Author:  [@Tyrannus](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Tyrannus)
#### Post date: [September 30, 2013, 12:30pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/save-our-american-troops/36947/27 "2013-09-30T12:30:05Z")
A fugitive from the law or a tyrant can do all these things which is why the definition of a hero is one of vagueness to the point of redundancy.
I’m starting to come to the notion that the word hero as a description is nothing more than that of somebody who does good in the eyes of authority and government. Of course I’m sure the thief, killer, and robber view themselves as heroes also.
One man’s hero is another man’s villain or one man’s villain is another man’s hero. Subjectivity of it all.
Anyways, there is a marvelous comparison between the modern United States and Nazi Germany. The fact that nobody here can address any difference whatsoever is spectacular.
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