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Hello F(r)iends,
Execute him! How could it have taken so long! Four people… Four (4) people were murdered.
-Thirst
100,000 have been murdered in Iraq. Are we going to execute the people in charge of that?
Hello F(r)iends,
Sure, if you find a court that convicts. I hear Texas is a state that doesn’t mind executions so much… I am all for murderers being executed assuming they have received a fair trial, assuming they are guilty.
Tookie is without a doubt, guilty.
-Thirst
I’m all for execution - mainly because the NAACP had a link on the petition site…
I dislike the death penalty for several complex reasons that I will gladly go on and on about. However, I can understand why many people would want to see him dead and might even feel better about it.
When I was working in prison I noticed that all of the guys scheduled to be killed were people that killed others in a perverse way (as opposed to a shoot-out with another criminal) or killed the obviously innocent in a drawn out, sometimes wanton, way would get the death penalty.
Although it sounds unpleasant killing people in a war is much more clean and expected than the death found at the hands of a sadistic murder.
That being said, I still dislike execution.
this raises a complex societal issue. He should be punished for taking the lives of others. Is taking his life the right kind of message? Especially when it’s possible for people to change. Tookie’s problem was environment, just like yours thirst. You (from what I understand) could’ve been tookie given the right circumstancs.
Now he’s changed, he speaks for peace and has done alot to progress the subject and act. He’s been nominated for the nobel peace prize.
I say no, the same way I say spanking sends the wrong message to kids.
Violence will absolutely bring more violence.
Did fear of the death penalty in washington state stop gary ridgeway from killing another stripper? Ridgeway is way more f*cked up than Tookie. And he’s got no chance of changing his outlook on life, Adler can probably vouch for that.
and if we’re comparing apples to apples, murder to murder, ridgeway is only getting life in prison for killing 50 people. and then performing necrotic acts on them repeatedly.
Yes, I think that killing criminals sends out a bad message to the population. You either get grossed out thinking about the killing or you are happy about the killing. Neither of those states sound too good to me.
I experienced the first feeling when an inmate got killed while I was working at another prison. He was put to death in another part of the state, but there was a general negative feeling in the air about working for a system that was at that moment killing someone. It’s not good and the people that were happy about it did not look as happy as the person that finds a quarter on the floor. It is a weird happy look.
Finally, I knew guys that killed people and after about twenty years in jail they seemed like pretty nice guys to me. I knew hundreds of these guys and liked many more than regular folks. However, they present a massive and confusing problem as it is hard to say what should be done with them. They still MURDERED people but yet they are NICE!
I think that people like that just blow our minds, and the only solution is life in prison.
Evan Bayh – Voted for the war in the US Senate
Joe Biden – Voted for the war in the US Senate
Hillary Rodham Clinton – Voted for the war in the US Senate
John Edwards – Voted for the war in the US Senate
John Kerry – Voted for the war in the US Senate
Ben Nelson – Voted for the war in the US Senate
John Rockefeller – Voted for the war in the US Senate
Carl Levin – Voted for the war in the US Senate
Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid – Voted for the war in the US Senate
just to name a few…
but there are hundreds more liberal democRATS who voted for the war…
VIVA LA REVOLUTION!!!
-Imp
it’s a veangeful, sadistic type of happy.
Eye for an eye.
I think more research needs to be done in neuroscience so we can properly ascertain who is incurable and who can change. It’s funny we let rapists go, most of which are completely incurable, but the guy who grew up in the wrong place, then got in prison and realized what he was doing before was wrong and turned his life around, we keep in prison.
imp,
who are now trying to get us out of that war.
this is off topic, but if I came up to you and told you that unless you pre-emptively strike a country they’re going to get us. and do so when I’ve already placed you in a heightened state of fear, are you going to think twice about attacking?
In general I would agree though, I’m sick of both the democrats and the republicans. We need an independant in office.
I realize you’re probably tying to incite people here, but I’ve never understood this throught process. Outside of you casually hearing that he’s killed 4 people you have no connection to anything in the case, how you could be so offended by the phrase “he killed 4 people” is beyond me.
That was good. Anyway…
What is the purpose of prison or even the death penalty:
Punishment of the offender?
Or protection of potential victims?
I think it’s the second, so the death penalty is generally wrong.
Edit: Oops I was all mixed up!
The guy stopped a fucking war between the Bloods and the Crypts… Give the guy a break.
Ok, well he was part of the gang. The gang didn’t need to exist so he solved a problem that he helped to create.
Hell, he seems like a really nice guy. We should just let him go free. As a matter of fact, any of those who once committed murder should be released so long as they’re nice guys now.
Hmmm…wait a minute. Maybe that’s not quite right either. After all, maybe for their to be a penal system there has to actually be punishment. And if justice was truly blind (not that it is…), that punishment should be based upon the crime and the surrounding circumstances, not upon the amiability of the murderer. And that sentence would be imposed based upon the crime at the time, not the peach of a guy the murderer later became.
Otherwise, the problem is that no one would ever be responsible for anything they did- remorse would be enough. In a “better” world, we could all jump off of cliffs with no parachute and save ourselves by changing our minds before we hit the ground. But in the real world sometimes our actions have serious and permanent consequences.
So to me, the question isn’t “is Tookie a swell guy?” but “do you believe in the capitol punishment?” I think whatever he’s done to “redeem himself,” or attempted to, is irrelevant.
Hello F(r)iends,
Scythekain, the right kind of message? Yes. If you murder there will be consequences. No amount of change in his heart will give those murdered persons their lives back and no amount of change in Tookie will give the murdered persons justice. I would deserve an execution if I was in Tookie’s shoes. I don’t deny that I would try to bullshit my way out of it like the way Tookie is doing, but it shouldn’t work.
It doesn’t matter that he now speaks for peace… there are four other people who can no longer speak for themselves. It doesn’t matter that he was nominated for the nobel peace prize (by some fucking liberal wankers) there are four others who cannot hope to achieve a damn thing. All because that murderer Tookie cut their lives short.
So somebody gets lucky by going to a liberal state where he won’t get executed and you are trying to use that to defend Tookie? Not working.
My dear f(r)iend, because of assholes like Tookie Williams, I had to drop to the floor everytime I heard a car burning rubber, because of assholes like Tookie, I couldn’t walk down the streets… this type of trash needs to go. Just as Phaedrus pointed out, who the fuck cares that Tookie is a great guy now, now, now…
Both. Feel better?
-Thirst
the guy invented the Crypts…
give the guy justice
-Imp
So, his debt to society can only be paid through bringing the joy of revenge. It makes you wonder why people would ever try to atone if the only measure that counts is the damage inflicted, and never the healing.
screw society
and as soon as he heals the deaths he caused, he can go free…
he can’t bring back the dead? great… he deserves to get exactly what he gave…
-Imp
Why doesnt saving lives count? Atonement isnt just seeking to undo actions, that is a silly task, but to correct wrongs in general to readdress the balance. You may argue about what would constitute a balance, but instead you seem to rejecting that any comparison except that of suffering is irrelevant.
Instead of the ‘eye for an eye’ that makes us all blind, make the original wrong doer correct other eyes.