Saw Genetic Categorical Sequence in Dream

I had a dream a little while ago that has more or less shocked me, I was in a classroom in the 19th century, and two attractive female teachers were in blackish-grey dresses, discussing genetic sequencing, but not at the level of amino acids, but in it’s inverse, a logical sociology that went from A to F.

I think it was:

A
B
C
D
DD
E
EE
F

It wasn’t micro to macro scale organization, but they organized it as such that they could analyze any given problem from the F point to pinpoint the point where the problem mutationally was occurring using schemes society was using then in the 19th century. I just can’t recall a single one of them now, but could remember them for a good hour or so… but I have had another dream since then, and that stuff went to informational mush. I remember not taking the scheme seriously until I saw one of the teachers bickering with the other on F talking about a disease, and she said No, and emphasized F, saying it was Contingent upon EE… that EE, was on E that was present in the disease, that we have E present as well, and DD, D, C…

And I started freaking out saying What, What, What to myself cause I’ve never seen a scheme that could be broken down to express the behaviorism of a disease before across the sciences, pinpointing just as accurately where of lack of knowledge of it was as you would where the mutation wax if you knew the exact genetic sequencing.

It was a reductive method for scanning the whole of knowledge, to see if every category of knowledge had been applied to it and understood, starting from the top of the list (F) and breaking down to the base idea complex (but I’m certain it wasn’t Macro to Micro, it instead followed a path that mimicked epidemiology) to see where the knowledge breakdown was, and this would fairly accurately correlate with what the range for breaking was in genetic meiosis, signifying a few different possibilities of malfunctions in organelle processing.

The idea came as a complete revolutionary shock to me this was even possible, that there was a reverse mathematics to gene sequencing that one could reduce from to arrive to, looking at the behaviorism of society to reach a statistical range for precise mutations of cellular degeneration.

I just couldn’t get a word in otherwise. They were Irish and kept bickering. I spent forever, including a big chunk if my next dream ignoring the proceedings, was just sitting in the dream trying to make sense of it, people in the next dream kept asking if I was alright cause I refused to get up. I forced myself it wake up, but was to groggy to get up, and fell back to sleep. No dream since I could recall.

Has anyone seen a system like this? I need it if you have. It was a standard, universal system, expressed in 19th century terms (I remember reasoning some of the categories were a little old fashion but could be adjusted). Just… I wish those Irish women would of stopped bickering so damn much and just taught me the system instead of fighting, I never learned what A and B was.

Absolutely. Usually about the time I feel like people at a forum are losing interest in me, my megalomania turns inward and expresses itself in my dreams. In these dreams I’ll see the secrets of the universe, then post about them, to rekindle the people’s interest in me. If I can make them believe I have special visionary powers I feel satisfied again.

I know what they were talking about. I even gave you a hint about this in the past, if you remember.

With love,
Sanjay

Then link me to that hint Irish Woman Zinnati.

Here it is -

Further on this issue -

Terd,

All living organisms, including humans, are slaves of the mix of these four ingredients, both by body and mind. These four ingredients are the basic of everything that exists, either dead or alive. These are also ultimate metaphysical genes, which later decide physical genes. If anyone wants any change the basic nature either of his body or mind, he has to somehow change this ratio of the mix, either from outside or inside.

With love,
Sanjay

Not quite of the same nature…

I’m assuming your using the divisions in India, not the west, right? We took it, broke it up into Monism/Dualism, and later on based out system of Alchemy off them. This doesn’t fit our model.

Might fit the Upanisadic models… they were just structured physically as elements, that are identifiable by body parts and aspects of medicine and psychology (Stoic Medicine, such as under Galen did this too) but also as social natures, like your demons having more of a particular nature?

A lot of similarities, but like I said, they didn’t build it on a micro-macro basis, but distinctions that had dependent coorelations…

Wait.

Fuck.

I think I know.

It had to of been based off of geometrical logic built on a Orrery, using Martianus Capella’s divisions of knowledge, its why some points were doubled, the syllogistic structure doubled over the other side…

Okay… I may be able to solve this now. It seems to be a part of a idea I couldn’t solve for a long time.

I’m gonna have to restructure it though.

Thanks Zinny.

As usual, you jumped the gun and thought that you got the gist of the issue, but you are still away from it.

You are assuming that I am taking physical things like earth and water as the basic of all things. Means, the water is h2o and you can deduct is further to built an ontology. But, that is not what I am suggesting.

My proposed four basic elements are not physical but metaphysical, or rather characteristics/properties/behaviors. These four elements are metaphors for some particular concepts.

Solidity, immovability and lazyness = earth
Calmness, adoptability and settlement = water
Heat, exienty and destruction = fire
Energy, innovativeness and vagabonding = air

Each and every good or bad element in human character is governed by these four basic metaphysical elements, and by changing the mix of these elements, the behavior of a particular individual can also be changed, both for good and bad.

Secondly, Hinduism is not the sole propagator of this concept. It was accepted within almost all major civilizations, right from ancient ones. There is not any eastern/western decide here. Babylonians and Greeks also visualized the same as Indians. Some cultures considered basic elements as four but some five, taking sky/ether also as a fifth basic element. The only exception is Chinese culture, which takes Fire, Earth, Metal (literally gold), Water and Wood as basic elements.

With love,
Sanjay

Sanjay, your male/female assignments don’t really belong in that ontology. But you can add to your list the following;

Earth = the common, basic, hard to refuse under-standing (common sense, common logic, base knowledge)
Water = the fluid, adjustable concepts to smooth out and forgive misunderstandings (politenesses, caring, forgiveness, emotion…)
Fire = the destructively exciting and uncontrollable notions (war, hatred, lust, violence, severe passions, pride…)
Air = the vaguely defined, hard to grasp, unconstrained, furtive concepts (consciousness, flirtation, presence…)

Genders don’t really fit well into that ancient ontology, but the male would be made more of Earth, the female more of water. Ahdam was made of the clay (Earth and water mixed). Eve was an extension beyond the hard, cold, unforgiving structure of Adham.

But I suspect that dream was more of a wishful thinking thing than an actual thing; more air, less Earth and a touch of fire.

Don’t fight over this you two, I didn’t explain my position in full. It was just the initial blurt as the concept came over me.

Did the mesopotamians develop this idea first? I figured since Thames was stuck on water (a mesopitamian influence, indeed) and we slowly built up the system in the west that we developed it. I’m aware of the formulas in the Upanishads, but they are already quite advanced upon seeing them, no evidence of indigenous development. If there was, I would assume to see a literature behind this. Best I can see is the claim Agni/Fire developed late and was passed onto the Zoroastrians (a theory I read a while back), but we had Indo-Iranians south of the Hittite Empire who had similar cults, and I’ve figured they came directly from the Ayr Daryu, never stepping foot in India… they shared some of the same Gods as India and Pre-zoroastrian Iran, but not all as India does, and Fire Temples were among the mix.

I’m not certain I accept the theory the Indo-Europeans started in Asia Minor, and settles India, but it would make sense in terms of India inheriting the “whole” of its pantheon as far as the elements are concerned, but periphial states to the south were more conservative, holding to a older strata of beliefs.

I just never did a deep fact finding mission on this. Just noticed those things over time. If you know of texts that contradict what I noticed, let me know, either from very early India (Pre-Upanisad) or Mesopotamia. I know the Rig Veda has a lot of Akkadian loan words in it, but was that due to the Aryans passing through, or just trade, contact, or cultural supremacy they had in that era? I dunno.

James,

It is difficult to explain to Turd but I can certainly try it with you.

Your explanation seems reasonable but It is all different concept altogether in Hinduism. And also, I do not think that you can get it anywhere on the net, especially in the English.

There are actually six basic elements in Hinduism.That ontology starts from the Shunya(zero), but it is not zero as we understand that generally. It is not even Emptiness of Buddhism. it is not void either.

This Shunya is one and only element from which each and everything that exists in this cosmos is made of or comes from, including mind, but except consciousness. You can call it omnipotence quality/nature of the consciousness, or rather simply potential of the consciousness, if you want it translate into RM/AO terminology.

Secondly, Hinduism does not say that Shunya starts manifesting all elements at once, like other schools say. Hinduism postulates a specific order of it. Thirdly, all elements do not come directly from the Shunya, but from one after one from its very next preceding phase. Fourthly, these are not exactly physical elements per se, as we understand those in science, but rather metamorphic representations of characters of the elements. We can call them essence or qualities of the physical elements.

Shunya manifests Akash (sky) alone, nothing else. Sky refers to Space and Time, a platform or time, where and when further events can happen. Then, events starts happening and Sky manifests Vayu (Air). Air refers to energy, which is vagabond, forceful, careless and uncontrollable in nature. This is the mightiest amongst all four elements. Now, Agni (fire) is manifested from the air, which represents to the qualities like heat, anxiety, anger and destruction. It is considered less powerful than Air. In the next phase, Water is manifested from the combination of Air and Fire. It is cool, soothing, absorbing and adjustable in nature. It is less powerful than the Fire. Now, As the last step, Prithvi (earth) is manifested from the combination of all other three already existing elements. Being the last manifestation, it is weakest amongst all four elements, thus least energetic too. It represents the qualities like immovability and laziness. But, at the same time, it has most tolerance, patience and bearing capacity.

There is a very subtle issue involved in this ontology, which most of the people tend to miss, even those who have some understanding of Hinduism. Any actual physical manifestation cannot happen unless and until the last element (earth) is manifested. Before that, there are only qualities, not quantities. The reason is that any physical thing needs all those elements to be physical. Even three elements cannot manifest any physical material. The only difference is all physical matters is that, they have different mix of all four elements.

So, when the Biblical God says that he made Adam from the clay, it merely means that Human realm has more (the most) earth element than all other existing realms. It does not mean that Adam was made of only clay and lacked other three elements.

Thus, when all these four basic qualities was manifested from the Shunya and Sky, the real physical manifestation of the realms started happening. Uppermost physical realms and their inhabitants have most Air element in their mix. Realms just below those, use to have the dominance of Fire element. That is why it is said that Jinns are made of Fire in Abrahamic religions. It is merely a figure of speech rather than a reality, just like that Adam was made of clay. In the same way, there are such realms and inhabitants also, which are made of water, as it is the dominant element there, just like the earth element is here, in the human realm.

Now, comes the issue how this ontology fits in gender interpretation.

Amongst four basic elements, there are two very distinctive groups, upper two and lower two. Upper two elements (Air and Fire) are bound to move upwards all the time. They never flow downwards. On the other hand, lower two elements (Water and Earth) never move upwards but bound to move below always.

That is precisely the difference between men and women too. Having air and fire more in them than women, men are more powerful (physically) and innovative. They like to challenge the boundaries, even if may cause harm to others and themselves too. They are also eager and restless, and want to dominate also because of having more ego. On the other hand, women displays qualities of water and earth more. They are calm and cool, and far more bearing capacity than men. Water adds adjustability to their nature. That is why our ancestors laid down the tradition of women leaving its home after marriage than men.

But again, the ratio of mix tends to change slightly in the genders, not much. Earth element is still dominant in both genders. The only difference is than men have slightly more air and fire than women, or women have slightly more water and earth elements in their mix.

The excess of air and fire in men is not always a good thing. More often than not, it harms more than helps. The extra energy of male needs a proper direction. It also needs adaptability of water and patience of earth element to succeed. Only then, men will be able to put aside its ego and use their innovativeness and energy in proper use. On the other hand, women are wiser than men generally, even having less intelligence. They always put their abilities and means to good use.

A scientist will never able to innovate if he would be restless and not have enough patience, no matter how intelligent he may be. All will become useless.

Lastly, i want to draw your attention to a very rare and strange but interesting thing about how this gender issue is played in Hinduism. People generally do not take notice of than, not even Hindus. You have been travelled India and must have seen statues of Hindu gods here, or at least on the net.

Hinduism is the one and only such religion in the world, in which you will never find any male god or deity having beard, not even mustache. You will not able to find even such a single picture on the net. All Hindu gods and deities have clean faces, not a hint of hair on their faces. Even founders of such subsets, who do not follow conventional line of Hinduism, like Buddhism and Jainism, are also always portrayed without any facial hair. I am sure that during your Buddsim tour, you would have not found any monk with beard. The same is true for Jain monks also, even now. On the other hand, you will not find any male god of deity from any other religion without beard, at least to my knowledge.

That tells how Hinduism interpreted gender issue, and how it realized and gave importance to female qualities. That means if you want to elevate, you have to control and refine your maleness. Raw and excessive maleness will lead you nowhere. You cannot elevate at the highest level, unless you develop some female qualities like patience and adoptability.

The only exception in this case is lord Brahma. He is always shown in dense beard and mustache, because he was considered pure male god. That is why he is considered at no 3 in the Indian Trinity, after Shiva and Vishnu. There are thousands of temples of other gods in the india, even besides Trinity gods, but there is only one temple of Lord Brahma, which falls under the definition of temple, though there are two more worship places but they cannot be called temples.

with love,
sanjay

I hope you’re watching, Ferg, because Sanjay just went into fourth gear.

That post was not meant for Turd, but James.

It is quite dangerous to say complex and suble things to Turd. Nobody can guess in which way he would reply. I have to think 10 times before saying anything to his fertile mind.

With love,
Sanjay