Science Can Replace Religion

One claim of moderate religion is that religion of various stripes addresses aspects of life that science cannot address (See Gould’s concept of non-overlapping magisteria. These claims are made as a way of leaving religion alone in the face of science’s advances, and attempting to stake out an area for religion in which it makes sense to employ religious principles and modes of inquiry in preference to scientific ones. But the claim is false.

At some point in human history, religion did make sense. People were largely unaware of how the universe worked, and religion gave them enough answers to carry on with their lives. In the face of a vacuum of explanation and understanding, religion was a sensible and practical solution (thus its success in the ancient world). However, as science has crept farther and farther into the domain of religion, religion has become impractical to believe. Science has answered questions better in fields long dominated by religion (astronomy is an undisputed example), and it has made possible things that religion could not. While religion gave people certain useful fictions (such as a mighty god who hates it when you eat certain types of meat that happen to be prone to deadly disease), as people came to understand what was really happening, useful fiction could be far better replaced by useful fact (shellfish, it turns out, is delicious and nutritioius, and only deadly under certain well-understood circumstances). Recently, religious explanations have been driven into the last shadows of the world, and Gould relegates them to “ultimate meaning and moral value”, leaving to science essentially all areas where they used to overlap. But science is not silent on ultimate meaning or moral value. Science gives more insight into both meaning and morality than does science.

Because empirical studies like the origins of humanity and the function of the brain are in the realm of science, human thought and instinct is also within the realm of science. Morality can be described in such terms, and the results of that description offer a better understanding of morality than does a prescription or a faculty from any flavor of God.
And because science explains the universe, and explains where we come from, to a more exact and coherent degree than religion ever has, it is both more reliable and more revealing about the ultimate meaning of life. Now, of course, religion says a whole lot about the meaning of life (please God/get to heaven/acheive Nirvana), but none of these things actually offer any more meaning than can be gleaned from science (you exist as the latest iteration of a repeating pattern that has survived because its atributes tend it towards survival; survive or don’t according to your pattern): we can ask why the universe exists as it does, and thus why we are the patterns we are, but so too can we ask why we should please God, why we should desire heaven or Nirvana, and questions are equally sensible. Science’s answer may be less comforting, but it is more reliable and thus more practical; because it tells us what we have reason and evidence to believe about our origins and purpose, as opposed to what we would really like to be the story of our origins and purpose, it is more useful.

It may be objected that, if morality is a social instinct, and a given theory of meaning makes us happier, shouldn’t we continue to believe that which will help us survive longer and be happier while we survive? Yes, and that belief is science. Beliefs that accurately map to the world we experience have consistently proven to improve our situation over time. Science has cured diseases, made life easier and more entertaining, and if we have still been dissatisfied, it has made pills that make us happy and have no negative side affects (far fewer, at least, than the average religion). Because science has revealed morality to be instinctive, it has at once both lent practical credibility to being a good person, and made the practice of morality subject to empirical review. Indeed, ignorance is only bliss temporarily; in the long run, accurate beliefs beat inaccurate ones, because they help to achieve our aims.

Mr. Gould and others are incorrect, science and religion do not occupy non-overlapping magisteria, and where they did, it was a result of the youth of science, and not of any special attribute of religion. Science is now well into every magisteria of religion, and does a better job within those fields.

You basically presume the purpose of religion is metaphysics. This presumption goes on to become your conclusion. You conclude that religion and science are not separate, i.e., that they are both concerned with metaphysics, and that science has replaced or become more credible than religion insofar as metaphysical explanation goes.

I would like to know what justifies this presumption. i.e., How can you say the purpose of religion is metaphysics? I agree this is the purpose of science, but I don’t think this is the case for religion… Surely just because Aristotle included God as a metaphysical concept doesn’t mean, for example, that Hebrew or Buddhist religious traditions are practicing metaphysics does it? In fact Buddha explicitly tells his disciples to avoid metaphysics!

Also, since it seems you think science can tell us what is right and wrong, how about a specific example? Can we both agree that killing is wrong? How does science come to this moral valuation? What empirical evidence do we have that says killing is wrong?

Religion is when a group of people get together and all follow basically the same ideas. The ideas can be good or bad. The “different”… groups of ideas, are called different things. All of a sudden “religion” is there, because we called it that, and “science” is somewhere else, because we said it was science not religion. This is how we separate our preception. Then we try to talk about one at a time, and be specific, so we say science is not religion. It’s still a kind of human mental process, but we say it’s something else, to be specific.

It’s true that one kind of thought process can replace another through process, potentially true.

I’ve talked way too much in my post, and it’s not even half as long as the OP.

Porn can also replace religion.
Anything can occupy our sense of value and our attention.

Perhaps Carleas is lost in knowledge, but that’s not too bad of a place to be lost in.
Science can cure some diseases, because it’s a practical idea of application. There are ‘scientific theories’ about allot things that usedto have religious answers. Where the universe came from, where life came from, what humanity is, etc. It’s about what and how, but “should” is ultimately left up to non-scientists, ae the people who use the constructs of technology. Science is not owned by the scientists, and that is the main reason why it is not a form of ethics or morality, because morality tends to control things through evaluation.

The suffering felt by the families involved in the murder, the fact that the person didn’t want to die, the loss of potential happiness and productive time spent by the life if left to live; these things can be seen as evidence. They are an abstract equation of living emotions and intentions, which are the basis for our choices and actions. It’s something that we already understand, and know. We evaluate life and choices all of the time. We don’t need religion before we can have morality, in so far as a system of life values does not need to be taught or scientifically discovered in any orthadox or professional way.

Carleas: Are you proposing that the is/ought schism is overstated (or perhaps misunderstood)? If so, I’m interested. But still, surely there are no oughts in science? I was just browsing the wiki article on stoicism, where this quote by Seneca is found: “Kindly remember that he whom you call your slave sprang from the same stock, is smiled upon by the same skies, and on equal terms with yourself breathes, lives, and dies.” Such a statement is certainly not science, but does a more naturalistic attitude necessarily represent a “fallacy”?

What is “religion” exactly? If science replaces religion it can only do so by embracing what is “religious” - it would need to significantly expand its scope. For instance, from the same article on Stoicism (which I’m referring to because of its naturalism):

Is this science? Religion? Naturalistic religion? Some sort of is/ought fallacy? It’s unclear to me, given your OP, what exactly you are asserting.

I agree with most of this but science won’t replace religion even if it can. We know religions as a set of beliefs but all successful religions are just the most successful byproducts of the human mind.

People will always JUMP at fragmentary information precieving predators, protectors and prey out of the wind, shadows etc. On top of this we have existential anxities about death and random violations to our innate sense of physics, psychology and biology.

No, religion is a label for the beliefs which prey on the mind’s trip wired agency detection, as such I can’t imagine it dissapearing.

Science can tell us about right and wrong if only be deciphering the logic behind why we’re built the way we are. Huge amounts of behavior is unconscious.

If through science we realize action 1 is from sexual jealousy and action 1 is positively correlated with violence people who know action1 is a tactic of jealousy will be in a place to act more CONTROLLED.

Deciphering the logic behind unconscious behavior can help prevent it. Science maybe can’t tell us what is right/wrong, it massively INFORMS, and gives people a better platform to DECIDE.

Which is a lot more than religion. Science is a tool of discovery, a way of thinking not a system of ethics, though scientists KILL themselves with ETHICAL considerations.

rightfully so.

It’s an idea, and the OP asserts other ideas, too.

Science cannot do a better job with morality. It can describe morality. It can talk about origins. It may one day be able to track the neurology of morality. But it cannot create a morality. By its own tenets.

I can see where your assertions make sense given the likely range of your experiences. But for people who have experiences outside the range of your experiences, it merely sounds like you 1) assume there is no God and 2) any experiences that seem to indicate entities or processes not currently validated by science are simply being misinterpreted. Unfortunately science cannot make either of these assumptions.

You are not describing a rational choice for me - to give over all authority to science - given my experiences.

Give all authority to God, mickey rooney, football, bikinis,
Parental figures, advertisements, money,
Speciesism, television, logic, culture culture culture.

you’ve got moresillystuff.

Naturalism has replaced religion, sortof, sometimes.

It is funny how people do not notice their religious beliefs and faiths, atheists obviously included. I can’t quite be sure what you are saying in your post, but that is what your post made me think of.

Sometimes it seems that those who try hardest to identify with linear, mental verbal trains of thought - rather than with their emotions, for example - end up not really understanding what drives them.

Mickey Rooney says something about your age, or your rather unique priorities in culture, by the way.

Sure, you can find evidence that murder is linked to these things, but does that make murder wrong? There’s still a value judgment going on here, i.e., something very un-scientific, namely that causing suffering is wrong, transgressing the will of others is wrong, revoking future happiness is wrong…

Unfortunately, so far as I know anyways, there’s no way to measure right and wrong, and your suggestion that these particular things are wrong is not a scientific conclusion but a subjective valuation… Supported by many others, indeed, but subjective nonetheless.

Science can influence morality positively in ways religion can only dream. Knowledge can make people self aware. Self aware people can control their actions better.

Science as a tool can let people become MORE HONEST, FAIR etc if the person CHOOSES to use it that way.

Science is by definition incapable of producing morality. This does not mean I disagree with all of your assertions above, but the OP makes it sound like Science can generate morality. It cannot.

Is this why scientology was inaugurated?

No. Scientology was the invention of sicence fiction writer L. Ron Hubbard. He combined a kind of pseudo-psycholtherapy with a science fiction/religious mythology and cultic organization. Science has nothing to do with it.

So, Tom Cruise belongs to a pseudo-psychotherapic science fiction/religious mythological cultic organization?

The overall mistake of this perspective is that it negates the individual and only looks at religion as a mass institute of reason and justification.

In fact, the largest reason that any one person will likely continue to stay with a religious belief and practice after accepting every and all functions of science has to do with the one thing that science cannot accomplish; personal self peace.

Most religions present in today’s western culture world, which is the largest consumer of the latest levels of science, concentrate, not on justifications for that which science has explained and shown direct evidence for, but concentrates on the betterment of one’s individual purpose and role in their life in society and offers a tangible self-help system that contains the power to motivate with empowerment through conviction of the direct affect that the religious practice will have successfully in that individuals life.

Science cannot provide this self-growth that works largely on the emotional psychology of a person.
Science may one day fully explain how all of this works and why, but Science, at it’s best, will only allow for the perfect Religion to be designed and deployed; not for Science to replace Religion itself.
More has already laid the foundations of this endeavor for Science.

The only other aspect than this that religion still holds the market on is the concepts regarding the existence of one’s self after this life ends.

Science offers nothing for the mind of the concerned human that hopes for more than simply nothing.
Science cannot prove without some level of doubt that death in this realm is the stopping point of all possible existence as a sentient entity.

Great news! And not only that, science can replace art, music, family, friendship and much much more! Welcome to the brave new world!

Yup.