should a state be allowed? i mean clearly they wouldnt be able to seceed from the union but say prior to the civil war. like if we were wearing wigs and silly jackets and this is the first time this idea came about.
i honestly wonder why the north and south tolerate each other 
Texas retains the right the right to seceseed…
texas was a country before it was a state
-Imp
Believe me, Texas wouldn’t be missed. We could give it back to Mexico and I wouldn’t care. Who the fuck could tell the difference?
Texas dooes not retain the right to seceed. They had to give it up to be readmitted to the union after the civil war as did the other original states which seceded. It is possible that those original states that did not seceed before the civil war retain some right to seceed.
The only other states with any possible right to seceed are California which was, briefly, proclaimed as the Bear Flag Republic before becoming part of the US and Hawaii which was an independent kingdom. All other states were formed from federal lands so secession is not possible.
so anyway… should they be allowed to or not?
i mean why dont we let people with different political opinions live in their seperate space instead of constantly battling?
I hadn’t heard any serious talk of Texas wanting to sesseed from the Union.
o fuck nevermind.
you guys killed it. 
If secession is allowed and is actually engaged in (remember most people assumed it was allowed between 1789 and 1861, but through all but the last of those years it wasn’t actually done), the nation will atomize into a lot of little countries, and they will fight a lot of wars among each other. We think of it in terms of north and south because that’s what actually happened, but in addition to Dixie going its own way (maybe – last time didn’t work out so well), the West Coast might do the same, and possibly New England, and definitely Texas (Texans having no sense at all; I grew up there so I know), and also definitely Utah which never really wanted in the U.S. to begin with.
Why is there no war in North America today? Because the U.S. has nothing to gain from invading Canada or Mexico, and Canada and Mexico know they’d lose. Change either of those facts and you’d have war. We did invade Canada in 1812 and Mexico in 1846, the first because we thought we had something to gain by it (and were wrong), the second because we actually did (I’m living in what we gained).
Split the country into five or six fully-independent pieces, and war would be constant – at least until Canada and/or Mexico decided to gobble up those pieces. No, scratch that; Canada wouldn’t bother and Mexico couldn’t get it together, so it would just add another country into the fighting, which would go on.
Constant war means you can kiss whatever liberties you still enjoy goodbye, because you can’t have freedom in wartime. You can also say goodbye to the prosperity of the U.S., or such of it as we still have. If you’re young, expect to be drafted, 'cause there’s no way any of those little countries could rely on the luxury of an all-volunteer military. And at least once in your life and probably more often, expect to see where you lived shelled, bombed, invaded, and occupied by enemy troops.
Even in peactime, if you live in one of the little countries, you’d have to get permission to cross the border and move to another of them. There might (probably would) be tarriffs and trade restrictions.
It would just be bad news all around every which way. Let’s not go there, OK?[/i]
the mid east seems to love it though.
so for the benefit of everyone youre saying basically just cooperate? i agree. we could war with everyone constantly over everything but i dont think even certain differences are worth killing each other over.
Yeah, well, they’re welcome to it.
I don’t think there has ever been a war that was worth fighting from both sides’ perspective. But all it takes is one of those little countries disagreeing with me, and whoever they attack then HAS to fight. It takes two to tango, but it only takes one to make a war.
Actually, a few years ago BC and Alberta made a serious threat to leave Canada. The constitution was to be amended to appease Quebec and give it more power. The western provinces balked and threatened to walk away from Canada if it was adopted.
Is seems they can really do that since everyone took it so seriously and the Quebecers actually backed down.
It seems the trend is going the other way, and that states want to part of bigger things. The EU is groing, and states are begging to be a part. Of course for the time being it is merely an economic union, but it still represents a willing relinquishment of a certain degree of autonomy by small states. There is strength in numbers, and Navigator pointed out many of the advantages. Add to the list resources: without the south, the north would be without much of its oil.