Second Debate (Trump vs Hillary)

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I missed the first twenty minutes of the debate, so I didn’t hear how he collapsed Hillary’s sex tape attack she had been doing thus last week. I was told by the lifetime Democrat I was with it was rather easybabd quick to implode. Gonna look at that soon.

Rest was good, in that Hilary responded to a lot, couldn’t realistically defend herself, her “look up the facts, then lying” strategem collapsed, she simply didn’t sound credible. Her past as a competent secretary of state went down the drain in the eyes of her own supporters.

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Her supporters are too stupid (in the politically correct sense-Haha!) to understand that she is a criminal. They agree with her itsy bitsy mistakes. Accidents that end lives is all, no big deal.

Trump is too much of a gentleman to pound her to smithereens like he should. Perhaps he’ll lay her out the last debate.

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I watched the debate as a neutral observer because I’m concerned about a possible world war with Russia and China along with the deteriorating economic conditions of the United States that I’m a part of concerning the working class.

I think Trump dominated the debate and Clinton revealed herself for what she really is if I must state my personal opinion.

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I’m very surprised how well Mike Pence worked out for him as VP pick, I heard the measured approach he would take in speaking and responding in Trump a bit more than last time. He was still getting less energetic towards the end, but not as bad. It is a good thing these debates are only 1 1/2 hours long though. Still saw some exploitable unexplained targets in his agenda though, that the Hillary camp is certain to go after.

In regards to the current online polls, I judt took a photo, I’m not trusting them anymore than the liberal media polls from last week. I was able to find some polls from the last debate by media insular crowds, people who aren’t ideologically or news obsessed, it initially showed bith doing equally in some cases, till the news commentary insisted he either won or lost, then it became a parroted lopsided mess poll by poll.

This time around… ummm:

While this is literally true, I don’t think die hard Democrats would ever vote that way, and at least 30% if the population is gonna be diehard Democratic or Republican.

However true it is that Trump is better economically, subjectively the votes aren’t gonna swing that wildly.

Then again, you look at this forum, Hillary is generally dissed out more than Trump. I’m probably Trump’s biggest advocate here, but even I have reservations about him- just bad news and hatred doesn’t follow him aroung even us here than it does Hillary. So there may be something more to do with these polls. I just am trusting them about as much as the Left Media’s polls, or the Right, like Breitbart insane results.

And picking the more moderate polls isn’t more pragmatic either, cause I’m just enforcing a prejudice expectation of middle of the road politics. I’m guessing Trump is carrying the population right now in pure enthusiasm. Many on the left are doing foreign policy soul searching, that was her main strength that carried her over Sanders, now she has lost it. Poof, gone, unrecoverable, left knows she is a train wreck foreign policy wise, and that Trump wants to avoid war by befriending our main opponent. She will either have to completely abandon her current foreign policy outlook, or explain why the current antagonism between Russia and the US, including briefing a no fly zone where Russia has advanced ground to air middle capapbilitt and their own air force, will work. You attack in Syria, they attack in the Baltics and Ukraine.

She is completely clueless.

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You all missed the most important bits:
One: he admitted that he hadn’t paid federal taxes in years…
Two: he threw Pence under the bus with his Syria answer…
Three: He out loud said he would throw Clinton in Jail
which is third world politics, get elected then throw your opponents in jail…
this something Hitler did, Stalin did, Putin is doing, Mao did it…
this is political dictatorship 101…throw your opponents in jail right after being elected…
Four: he pretended to apologized for his access America tape, but he really didn’t…
Five: he played to the based but he didn’t do anything at all to broaden his base…
Clinton will win this by 5 to 7 points in Nov…if everything remains the same…

Kropotkin

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One: Neither has Hillary or the Clinton Foundation for that matter.
Two: He can’t disagree with his vice president on some issues?
Three: She committed things while working in the government anybody else would of been thrown in prison for. Why does she get special treatment?

Four: Did you not understand anything about how Hillary Clinton willfully worked with her husband to cover up his various rape cases?
Five: What are you talking about?

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The only way Hillary will make it into office is by continuing her honest ways. :laughing: How many more people will be eliminated for this to happen? How many Peter?

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K: the Clintons have released over 20 years of tax returns: has Herr Trumpf?
Two: he didn’t just disagree, he threw Pence under the bus…
Three: she has been cleared by the FBI and 8 different congressional committees…
Four: Please tell us… show us specific examples how worked to cover up those cases…
five: I was very specific, what part of playing to his base but didn’t broaden his base
did you not understand? Maybe ask some nearby adult to help you with this…maybe
the same person who recently gave you the birds and bee’s speech…

Kropotkin

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How many times are they going to cut him off talking during a live debate? :laughing:

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Oh, some inside information most of you would of missed in the debate.

Hillary Clinton WAS NOT Secretary of State when the Red Line Doctrine for chemical weapons use in Syria collapsed as a ruse. She was in office when the idea first developed.

John Kerry, either earlier this week or last week, told Syrian Groups he was very much for bombing Assad after Chemical Weapons was used, but was overruled by 3-4 people closer to the president.

This signifies a few things about Obama’s cabinet:

  1. He doesn’t trust the people he puts into the office of secretary of state. He obviously didn’t trust Hillary (wasn’t allowed to be VP) but let her fly around talking, without much oversight. In Kerry’s case, he was isolated and overruled.

  2. 3 to 4 people are more than The Secretary of Defence, and CIA. It doesn’t change shit for the Homeland Defence or Coast Guard, so it really isn’t their place, their job remains the same. Doesn’t effect the secretary of interior, secretary of education.

Who are these other 1 to 2 people? Biden? Perhaps. What that doesn’t explain that fourth person Kerry was possibly eluding to.

Only three people matter (other than the vice president of course), Secretary of State and Secretary of Defence, and head of CIA.

We really already should have CIA operatives on the ground in Syria, a nice day network, so don’t see why the CIA would bulk outside of saying the reality of attacking, but that’s something the Defence Secretary would back up asset wise. If anyone was butting heads, it should of been Kerry and the military, and his office should of been the diplomatic ones, military the “yes we can, this is our contingency plan Mr. President”.

Kerry should not be the war hawk.

Yet, it looks like Kerry was the war hawk. This is absurd, and I’m left wondering who Obama is actually close to in his cabinet. It isn’t the people he should be listening to. I think the Trump campaign is wondering about this too, but they think it is Hillary, but have zero proof. I sure don’t have it.

He eluded to it, but didn’t press it.

I suspect Kerry is setting himself up for a 2020 run. I can’t show Hillary is still advising Obama, but it doesn’t look like it us Kerry or the Secretary of Defence either. It is bizarre and surreal.

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1.Why is the Clinton Foundation under investigation?
2. No, not really. Pence praised him after the debate by the way.
3. F.B.I. director Comey is under investigation for his mishandling the case. Comey also worked with the Clintons when Bill Clinton was president.
4. I shouldn’t have to direct you everywhere. Do you even read anything beyond Huffington Post? :laughing:

  1. You’re an ass and a waste of time.
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Didn’t long face John Kerry already run for the presidency and lost?

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Yeah, but so did Hillary and Trump.

And I think Kropotkin is right, Trump will lose California by 6-7 points. He will dominate the swing states.

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If you attend a Bilderberg meeting, wouldn’t it be their top dogs? Am I too outside of the box? Obama listens to no one he’s chosen. He listens to those who chose him for that club.

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K: I think you misunderstood… Herr Trumpf will lose California by at least 10 point and Clinton win the
election by 5 to 7 points…

Kropotkin

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No, I understand quite well. Your brainwashed, and have historically been completely partisan and unreliable. Your unwilling to accept a position outside of complete infatuation with the Democratic hardliners.

Most Democrats aren’t even like this, and the rest of the country certainly isn’t.

Your not living remotely close to a swing state. Look at where the forum members who don’t particularly like Hillary live.

  1. Joker and MM, Iowa.
  2. I like in West Virginia, but my town borders Pennsylvania and Ohio.
  3. Ucci lives in Maine.

You haven’t noticed people around you here are fleeing your outlook? Even Carleas the Progressive is voting Libertarian, and Wyld is voting Green.

It isn’t leaning left. Only thing leaning left right now is the CNN post debate poll, that says Trump did horrible in the debate. Nobody watches CNN anymore except the far left.

Your building a insular cloud around yourself, not aware of the shifts in the rest of the country. Absolutely nobody likes Hillary. People like or hate Trump, but nobody likes Hillary. Period. Even his own husband had to find other women to keep himself sane.

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The cutting edge issues were purposely or unintentionally overshadowed by the locker room.
The big issues of gross geopolitical duplicity, were introverted as policy mistakes, of collusions causing preliminary military co-operation come actual military alliance making.

Syria, Iran, China, Russia against the allies of old: Europe, US, Britain & Commonwealth.Sounds familiar. But different version thereof.

The liberal appeasers, we are the world heralding doves, versus the hawkish reactionary isolationists.
Which position is more dangerous at this time?

Putin doesn’t think for a minute that the US is dressed for the peaceful coexistence which was, by the way, famously heralded between Molotov and Ribbentrop in a kind of predictable unholy alliance.
This whole idea not only smells the kind of treason, which any kind of ideological impasse , but outright spells it out.

The KGB is still out there, albeit, in a different outfit.
Meanwhile former “communist” China executes one of its wealthiest billionaires.

Heads may be rolling systematically, before the panick sets in on the limits of Capitalist extension.

When that happens, prefigured with a big “IF”, it won’t take long for the trans-ideologues to again place principles over substance. Certainly, Neo Nazi Trump realizes this pragmatic opportunity, and grab it,not being the forewarned, well informed student of historical precedents, as he should be.

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Some of you live and breathe state sponsored media propaganda where it is embarrassing. I’m talking about you Peter, Jerkey, and Mr. Unreasonable.

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Turd, people who read financial blogs and vote in them about who’s best for their money…those are investors, not working people who are worried about wages and jobs. What’s good for people who are reading about financial markets isn’t the same as what’s good for the middle class.

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What’s left of the middle class? Really? When did a combined income of less than $80,000 become the middle class? Those folks believe that they are the middle class.