pg.203 ch. Homo Heidelbergensis - The last human: a guide to 22 species of extinct humans.
Don’t pretend I’m only making the claim OR that it was my original claim at all, opposed to that of well respected anthropologists. Its sad you characterize disagreements in such a personal stupid way.
How does anybody know that they were dropped down the shaft at the same time-frame, or were they?
Is this a burial ritual? Where the people murdered? How did they die?
they were murdered either before or afterwords unless you think a plauge only effecting the young swept through Homo Heidelbergensis. The point to remember is that females are a rare/valuable commody.
Also burial rituals aren’t exactly known to HH but to HN given the massive similarities it wouldn’t be a stretch that being said H neanderthalensis burial ceremonies are more like ours. respectiful, some kind of aesthetic. I don’t think its a burial ritual, they weren’t even buried. Some kind of religious selection ceremony may have gone on at the top though.
How can you tell by looking at a bone that they were involved in selective killing of children. Maybee the pit was a nursary and some catacylsm was the result of there deaths. Or a graveyard for thier beloved dying children. Maybee they did act as you say and maybee that is why there line is no longer with us. I think there are many educated guesses as to how the bones got there. It takes a sick individual to come up with murder as the cause.
Disease seems like a good clue. Were these females plagued with an illness that risked infecting the others?
It takes a realistic person. Tell me what a realistic person thinks when Homo neanderthalensis bones showing the signs of being butchered/cracked open for marrow in the same ways neanderthalensis did to animals found in the same deposits?
Considering neanderthalensis found even in very warm conditions ate primarily meat (when they didn’t have to) theres a good chance they were butchering and eating each other.
considering many neanderthalensis ate like 80% meat and Homo Heidelbergensis were basically identical its not sick for *anyone to come to conclusion. We know that prehumans of this sort were massively violent by how they hunted/killed/what they ate the idea they’d suspend all this against all other humans is naive.
throwing remains down a shaft that many young women is suggestive of SELECTION of some kind. its not a burial thats for sure.
granted neanderthalensis might have evolved a vicious streak looking at the tools attributed to homo heidelbergensis though its not very surprizing.
theres good evidence that h ancestor (real name is spanish for ancestor ancessor or something) and h neanderthalensis were violent cannibals (though fools might claim scavengers) but when someone suggests H Heidelbergensis who routinely butchered animals might have thrown people or murdered people down a shaft that makes them sick minded? lol
Some sort of religious sacrifice is what came to my mind, but Cyrene, is there any other known evidence of religious rituals taking place during those timeframes?
Spartan societies did this. they threw of small weak and deformed male children who were born to warrior families.
it was not uncommon that babies would be left on hills to die, they would leave them there in hopes someone would want to take them in. infanticide was usually practiced out of poverty, but the spartant did it as a means of selection.
I don’t think so but there is in neanderthalensis and theres massive similarities between the two and they’re not seperated by mass geological time. Its thought one group of Homo Heidelbergensis evolved into neaderthalensis even despite direct evidence considering tool use/cranial capacity its likely that they did. Theres direct evidence in the case of neaderthalensis though.
Most all animall and human bones are cracked practically to bits not from someone trying to eat the marrow. Its what youd expect after being crushed under a mile thick of ice. This dosnt stretch the imagination as much as some wild imagination of murder and infinticide and canabalism.
During the Great Famine some Chinese parents sold their children as meat.
It comforts us to imagine the past more violent than the present, our fears easily placated by idealistic notions like progress.
Imagine if they dug up Fred West’s back garden thousands of years from now, I believe any generalization they made regarding contemporary human habits would inevitably be partially, if not entirely, true. Certainly, any link they made between behavior and physical form would warrant serious study.
…Fred West…Homo Neanderthalis
I guess that cliff (yea they know ehere it is, the history of sparta is controversial yet known).
Perhaps all those babies randomly fell off the cliff.
history of infanticide.
And if you founf any sort of emotion in my writing, in that i was pointing out or taking comfort in present day being less violent, you are mistaken.
i was not getting at that at all… the spartans are an outlier society. extremists.
but i will not sugar coat history or anything like that.
The spartan warriors were homosexual murderous slave lords and the women were lezbian feminist and strong, and slave lords too.
take it or leave it
spy you seriously are naive if you think physical anthropologists can’t tell the difference between geological time and butchering marks done by tools found side by side with the deposits. No animals DO NOT show these marks outside of tooluse. They made the butchering tools to what? look at them. Neanderthalensis is known from massive and largely complete fossil finds giving enough comparisons to make it a stupid claim.
you’re hopelessly naive spy. your claims that all bones show distinctive breaks like that is ignorant and a lie. The first animals which begin to show up like that are all associated with hominid fossil finds in the same deposits and it tells geological time doesn’t leave horribly distinctive marks or signs of cooking at temps not naturally found.
I was aiming that generally. Optimism about the present is a trait we seem to have in abundance in the Western world, but it’s completely unfounded.
Good for you.
I think most anthropologists are happy to be academic, blinkered ‘diggers’ whose models of human physical evolution are constructed only on fossilized remains, this spares them the problems of dealing with the huge variety of physical forms that we find in abundance all around us.
All these forms resist classification under the term homo sapien.
Could it be as simple as sacrificing virgins to gods? Happens alot in films anyway
Maybee it was the result of selective killing. Maybee we ate them. Maybee erectus ate them. Maybee. You are seriously naive if you claim you can tell which one did the killing and for what reasons.
stop beating around the bush, what are you trying to say. i am confused.
yeah because you can’t date bones. you’re ignorant spy, modern humans didn’t reach europe until much much later and erectus isn’t found locally in that timeframe they’re found far far away. eaten neaderthalensis in neanderthalensis deposits must be another species thats found in indonesia a million years ago or one from africa.