Sex and women

Women will always be under the power and mercy of men because men have sexual and physical dominance over them. However, they are same in everything else.

Women are the vulnerable sex and depend on male protection while pregnant.

Women are the vulnerable sex during intercourse.

Naturally Women are physically vulnerable to males. I say naturally because in modern society women can train and build up.

Naturally Women sexuality is passive

Women have vulnerable sexual roles

Women is the base and men the top

The male body is more athletic(boobs get in the way of things and slow you down while running)

Nature favors the male over female

Male sexuality is free, males just impregnate (as many females as they can) they do not have to worry about pregnancy

Women are incomplete men like Aristotle believed.

Women do have a penis envy like Freud said, but denied it

This does not mean hurt, abuse, harm, rape, control or degrade women it is just natural.

Society says women do not enjoy sex and they just do as a duty or favor for men. What is the truth?

Sex for men is about control and possessiveness. Love is an illusion created by men to make women have more sex with them. For women, what is love and sex to you?

Anyone disagree or challenge my views?

I can’t say whether ‘women’ enjoy sex or not since I’m not a woman, but then I doubt any single woman could even get away with that degree of generalization.

From an evolutionary standpoint though it does seem to make sense that partially conflicting sexual attitudes between women and men would help to guarantee our survival as a species. What would happen if women generally got pregnant every year for 20 years? Or if women generally never got pregnant?

I don’t know why but, I want to pat you on your head earthy , hand you a lollipop and say yes dear , now go play. Probably because those statements are almost childish and full of childish ignorance.

The species will be extinct.

Attack the statements not me.

Are they childish because you disagree or because they are
unacceptable views in modern society?

Huh? I was talking about how we have survived until now. That women have been historically somewhat ‘defensive’ regarding sex has helped to ensure the survival of women. That men have been historically somewhat ‘offensive’ regarding sex has helped to ensure the propagation of children. I’m not sure what the future of the species has to do with it. That is presumably a function of ignorance in conjunction with technological power.

I’m also saying that I am highly skeptical of broad generalizations.

I misinterpreted what you meant, I see now what you mean.

Not really.
their biology makes their outlook and their intellect different.

The idea that anatomy is only cosmetic or that appearances don’t matter is a human construct meant to alleviate social pressures and to integrate individuals harmoniously.
We wouldn’t say that an ape’s looks are superficial and that we are no different than an ape because we have common ancestry and genetics.

Not only during pregnancy, because the female form has adapted to the role it must play in reproduction, it has sacrificed many attributes so as to carry out this biological function more efficiently.

This makes females more dependent on others, the group, and her psychology and intellect reflects this evolution.

Indeed.
We might say that all females are vulnerable during copulation. The act itself is an intrusion within her personal space; a literal invasion.

Because this is counter-intuitive to a rational mind dedicated to self-preservation, nature overcomes the primordial drive to self-preserve by using the overpowering mechanism of emotion and/or instinct.

Because sexual intercourse is a later evolutionary development, the instinct to survive precedes the instinct to copulate and so it must overcome it.
Fear being the primary emotion, in more sophisticated organisms, love then becomes the means through which the fear and anxiety associated with coexistence and reproduction and cooperation is overcome through the inebriating affects of this secondary emotion.

Man has become so dependent on the group, that love has been idolized and venerated as the essential ingredient for his survival, as apart of a greater whole, such as the tribe or the family; in time it develops into a transcendental concept such as a God.
The laws of God, if studied objectively, represent the essential rules for cohabitation and integration. The moral laws are an affront to God, as He becomes a representation of the community.

Even if they “build up” their potential, in musculature, still remains well below that of the average male, as their potential intellectually remains well below the average male.
That certain females may display an above average, for their sex, intellect which, when compared to the average males who has not developed his, appears equal or superior does not disprove natural potentials.

It just exemplifies the relationship of nature to nurture.

The same can be said for racially based potentials.

It has to be, otherwise copulation would be difficult and her integration within a cooperative group would be problematic.

We even find that in order to integrate males within a group, they must be made more feminine in their psychology and outlook - more passive.
We see this intelelctual passivity all around us.

Yes, and this makes their psychology different than a male’s.

The stabilizing role, women play within a group is a consequence of their biological reproductive function.

But this passivity, even if stabilizing, never challenges anything and so never develops into an exploring, aggressive disposition which underlies all human creativity and science and philosophy.

Yes, although modern environments are slowly deteriorating these natural differences and the promotion of feminine dispositions will begin having its gradual affect.

Man intervenes on his environment, reshapes it, selectively chooses what elements he desires and which he dos not and, by doing so, begins affecting himself.

Not really.
Both male and female have their place in nature. Nature knows no favoritism and is indifferent to man’s fate.

Free?
Males pay beforehand by having to prove themselves worthy of reproducing.
There is nothing free in this world.

Women are males that have not matured. They remain adolescent because this is essential to carrying out their biological function.

Their intellects are dedicated, almost exclusively, to social interactions, reproduction and communal stability. Her survival and her reproductive success depends on these.

like all inferiority, it envies what it an only intuitively understands as superior to it.

The penis becomes a symbol of everything a female can never be.

Freud said…

…meaning that you cannot disregard biological imperatives or genetic heritage or ancestry and you cannot separate appearances from essences.

The strategy of associating any opinion which mentions human diversity with violence or injustice is how the weak attempt to censor reality from their little bubble world.

Saying that heritage and biology is determining does not automatically mean that we must abuse those that are inferior to us.
Saying that a dog is less intelligent than a human being is not advocating treating dogs harshly or without compassion.

The strategy of equating all reality which points to differences which may make harmonious coexistence problematic with evil is how those that cannot challenge reality using reason try to inject emotion and morality into the discussion. It is a simplification, attempted by the simple, so as to make the discussion one of evil versus goodness, where both terms are left undefined and emotionally charged.

Women enjoy sex because this is how nature ensures their participation in it.

We find eating pleasurable because it momentarily fulfills a need essential to our survival. Same goes for sex, only here the survival is that of our genes.

Love is one of those overused words., used by simpletons to feel safe and comfortable within their skins.

Basic fact about love is, as with all emotions, that it is a survival mechanism meant to hardwire specific responses in the organism so as to make them more efficient.

The emotion of love is essential to our methods of reproduction and to our coexistence.

Enough said.

I wasn’t aware of this.

Could you shed some more light on it? Were humans originally one sex?

Do you think single-cell organisms had sex with each other?

Would you say the reproductive method of sharing genetic material, which we call sex, giving rise to the sexes evolved later on?

I did not attack you I did attack the statements i did not say you were childish, but that the statements were. You could be quite mature and yet still have childish ignorance.

Your perspective is that of a person with little real experience and alot of controlled information. meaning TV reading etc.

Modern society really has nothing to do with it. Modern societies vary on the perspective of the female. Some societies still view the female as property, some societies view the female as equal in everyway shape and form. It is important to note that equal does not mean the same. An apple can weigh as much, be as round, be as sweet, be as nutritious, as an orange but, it remains an apple not an orange. In the case of gender equality the two are equal yet different. Your female describes a very narrow controled naive view of the female. It is hardly indicitive of the billion or so females walking this earth.

Nice escape, there.
Like a typical female you attack the source so as to deal with the message.

And is your gross simplification also indicative?

Is not his assessment an enumeration of these differences, or should we just mention that they exist but never explore them?

I agree with everything else expect the following:

I tend to take the nurture side on intellect instead of nature. Women have brains and men have brains, these brains have same potential and strength. These brains may see the world differently, but their strength is the same.

The intellect can be trained and improved. You say even if it is trained it is below the average male, I disagree with this because of all the super intelligent women out there.

Whenever benefits survival goes, equality is not a concern to nature.

By “Male sexuality is free,” I mean a man can claim as many women as he wants, as long as he proves himself worthy of reproducing. While, women don’t have that option. In the state of nature a man will rape whoever he wants, his only block is other males who are stronger than he is.

In the state of nature you either give or be taken by force. Most women do it out of fear of being raped. Not to say most women say they get nothing from sex and never orgasm according to statistics.

Love In the context of sex.

Love does not exist. Love was invented by modern man to make
woman comfortable in having more sex with him. Love makes women have sex with men who are not not worthy of reproduction. If you tell a women you love her, you are likely to get some instead of telling her exactly what you want from her or saying you want to F her. Love romanticizes a violent act. It makes a dirty act (according to religion) not dirty. It makes women have sex for pleasure instead of just reproduction.

I am not even talking about modern society, I am talking about innate nature not socialized behavior.

I think you got modern society from this statement, I only said modern society her to show women are naturally vulnerable to males (in the state of nature) but in modern society they can be stronger through artificial means.

and enough with the covert personal attacks.

This is where we get our concept of invasion. People hated Freud, because he spoke some truth.

Then you would have to concede that every organism with a brain has a similar equal potential.

And yet none of them has ever produced anything that revolutionized human thought and existence.

Intellect can be improved, just as physical strength can be, but there is an upper limit which genetics imposes.

Therefore it’s a human construct based on an ideal.

Okay. given this interpretation we therefore see why human females evolved away from displaying their sexual availability, like other apes have - such as a red posterior.

This was to ensure male interest even when she was impregnated or otherwise unreceptive.
It’s also part of feminine duplicity. she feigns interest, for social reasons, even when she is not.

This is why females support whatever dominant entity exists. She is always a defender of the status quo, unless she’s been attracted to a potential power she finds superior to the status quo.

As for the orgasm statistics they have more to do with a general sexual dysfunction produced by the repression and supression civilization forces.

women are rationally attracted to the culturally ideal male, because he promises to provide for her young and for her, but instinctively, she can’t help it, she is still tied to that primordial attraction.
Culture is relatively new and so has not totally eradicated primordial forces.
She doesn’t orgasms, because a female must be inspired into orgasm. The males she has been trained to consider desirable, culturally and specially, some times fall short genetically and her body cannot be fooled.
She doesn’t orgasm because her mate is below standard genetically, even if mimetically he might be ideal.

We see here how actions speak louder and more honestly than words.

I think I went over this.

Yes to physical
No to intellect, intellect has no limits.

Evolution has nothing to do with survival of the species. The XX/XY chromosone matchup kind of shows this, as people note, X can have genes deleterious to males because its much more likely to find itself in a female body (if those genes on X help females they can hurt males and thrive.) In some insect species, the males have almost gone extinct because of this trend.

Natural selection works at the unit of the gene, not the organism or species. species universal traits exist because successful genes rapidly spread throughout a population given even the tiniest benefit to survival.

We might say they are vunerable to attack but that not all females feel vunerable in the violated sense of way, because well because, its nonsense to talk about it like that.

Nature doesn’t need to over-come the self-preserve mechanism with emotions because emotions are integrally linked to those adaptations, emotions are largely the self-preserve mechanism. Women don’t overpower that mechanism when finding mates. Women who weren’t afraid of mates, actually enjoyed choosing a specific mate or engaging in sexuality activie would pass more genes than women that had to over-come fear with other mechanisms.

Women are hugely choosey when picking mates because they can have one child a year and men can have many (most of this is unconscious) but to say they have to over-come fear on some nonsense psychology is strange. Not everyone does. Not fear “self preserve instinct” whatever the fuck that means.

The instinct to survive and reproduce can co-exist without needing to overpower one or another, though they may come in conflict if a female sees a desirable mate but say, detects has an unstable and dangerous disposition.

Survival instinct doesn’t mean fear is the primaey emotion, infact we can guess safely that if there was an adaptation needed for fear there was somthing to be economically afraid of and that usually means agressors, so agression. elaborate more on what you stated above, fear fo co-existancec and reproduction would compell people away from it those genes wouldn’t flourish and the reason it happens is a byproduct of existential anxieties.

We have adaptations, we couldn’t change it unless we changed the hardwire of the brain. People would still fall in love. Its not about our personal survival, its about the fact that parents that stuck together to raise children where we spent 99% of our time as a species had less children that ended up tiger-bait, thus the adaptation of ‘love’ towards an opposite mate. We strive for it because our genes tell us too, its pleasurable because it was advantageous.

It doesn’t matter that we fall in love with people we don’t have children with or can’t, genes aren’t conscious and nor are our genetic tactics unless we read about them.

Actually its very indicative and very insightful for someone to say.

  • Steven Pinker, some debate.