Sex, or a lack thereof

[J_Appleseed]

The thing I hate the most about philosophy forums is the profound lack of sex. I do not mean the lack of talk about sex as an objective topic of discussion, but rather the lack of people actually having sex with one another, or even trying to have sex. [I don’t necessarily mean full-blown intercourse when I speak about “having sex”. There is an entire spectrum of acts that can be subsumed under this phraseology, from first base to home plate, and everything in between].

My opinion is that all people who have their immediate survival needs taken care of only really care about sex. But people don’t necessarily talk about it because they care about it too much. So philosophy forums are places for people to pretend where sex doesn’t matter.

I fully admit that I want to have sex. Make love. Touch, kiss, rub, lick, tickle, whatever. After all, those who have satisfying sex lives are much less likely to be depressed or mad or have any major psychological issues. I don’t have any evidence on-hand to back up this claim, but I feel it is something that is prima facie evident.

And I’m not saying that people should only talk about sex. Those sites on the 'Net where people are constantly speaking about sex in crude terms are even worse than philosophy forums. The sites where people are busy demeaning each other based on their physical traits are the absolute bottom of the barrel.

I think that humankind would be wise to start engaging in thoughtful discussions about this most delightful of pasttimes.

Maybe I should start a philosophy forum that encourages people to speak honestly about their innermost desires.

…or maybe ILP can provide such a service!

[The_Golden_Turd]

Sex happens… I don’t think anyone here is under a active vow of celibacy, nor is afraid of sex as a topic. It’s obviously a part of the world.

Do you want me to post pics of me fucking someone to make you happy? What do you want from me? Go look in the natural science section, I even discuss about my debate of becoming a sperm donor. We discussed Walker being a hermaphrodite, and a forum member named Taz/Trajicom who chopped his balls off. Let’s not forget the weird sexual tension between Pandora and Faust that’s all the gossip on skype.

[Typist]

Here’s the perfect philosopher for you!

amazon.com/Surfwise-Amazing- … B00180R040

Here’s the review printed on that page. A google search will reveal plenty of other articles.

American history is filled with legendary characters who turned their backs on society, snubbing its conventions and opting for a simple, contemplative life. Like Thoreau. Kerouac. And… Paskowitz? Well, actually, yeah.

Surfwise, director Doug Pray’s 2007 documentary, tells the decidedly offbeat tale of Dorian “Doc” Paskowitz. Now in his mid-80s, the guy who calls himself “one of the few dumb Jewish doctors” was once on a big-time career track; a Stanford-educated physician, he was the head of the American Medical Association in Hawaii, an expert surfer, and a strong, handsome man who often donated his services and was asked to consider a run for governor of that state.

But more than 50 years ago, Paskowitz and his third wife, Juliette (his previous marriages had failed due to his own “sexual ignorance”), essentially chucked it all for the sake of family, surfing, and precious little else.

They had nine children, all but one of them boys, and the entire brood lived in a 24-foot camper, traveling constantly.

Money? There was precious little of that (although years later the family generated some income by establishing a popular surf camp near San Diego). Food? They managed, with Paskowitz enforcing a strict organic regimen.

School? “Education be damned,” Doc said, and not one of the children ever attended classes regularly. To outsiders, it was an idyllic life; “we were not attached to the physical world at all,” says one of the (now middle-aged) kids today.

But the downside was deep. Crammed into their tiny space, the children watched and listened as their parents noisily made love every single night (not a great thing for the kids’ own later sex lives).

Driven–and sometimes abused–by their ultra-controlling, narcissistic dad, they became excellent surfers but were ill-prepared for adult life when finally, in their 20s, some of them began to leave “home.”

Remarkably, they all seem relatively (so to speak) fine now, with real jobs in surfing, music, and the film business and a fairly clear perspective on their strange upbringing (“Don’t do anything a gorilla wouldn’t do” was one of Doc’s mantras). Extras include outtakes, commentary, surfing footage, and more. --Sam Graham

[J_Appleseed]

Contra-Nietzsche,

I don’t mean to be Contra-you, but you are proving my point with your somewhat defensive tone, and with the fact that you are speaking in such crude and extreme terms. The answer to your question is obviously: NO!

And I say “obviously” because I don’t know you from a hole-in-the-wall. There are, of course, no problems for me to find pictures on the Web of random people, as you say, “fucking”.

I guess my overarching point is that the topic of one’s ability to have a satisfying sex life — precisely because it is such a profoundly personal one — is the hardest of topics to do justice to. And if philosophy is about anything at all, it is about “doing justice” to the topics that captivate us.

Again, my interest in sex revolves mainly around satisfying my innermost desires (i.e. psychology) and not in the technical side-issues related to it (i.e. biology). Thus, I am much more concerned that you are able to come to terms with whatever turns you on than with the fact that you are interested in donating your fluids for the purpose of biological fatherhood.

So from a deeply philosophical point-of-view, I would like to explore the reasons why we, as a species, seem to be so incapable of speaking openly and honestly about that which most forcefully moves us to action.

[Typist]

@J Appleseed

So from a deeply philosophical point-of-view, I would like to explore the reasons why we, as a species, seem to be so incapable of speaking openly and honestly about that which most forcefully moves us to action.

Ok, I’ll play, here are a couple of random speculations.

1. Sex is not “that which most forcefully moves us to action” for everybody. Just a reminder to keep in mind. People at the peak of their hormones and interest might be careful not to confuse their own personal experience, with a global experience of all humanity etc.

2. The species you seem to be mostly talking about here is philosophy forum culture. As best I can tell, philosophy forums are dominated by men, often young men, perhaps mostly young white men. Men in general, young men in particular, and young intellectual white men especially, are the least qualified people on the planet at discussing intimate personal issues. If you really want to have these kind of conversations on a higher level, you’re most likely in the wrong place.

3. Not everything has to be analyzed and discussed to death. We might consider the value in keeping some things private and mysterious. A lot of the excitement of sex arises from it’s private and mysterious nature. Be wary of turning something so gloriously primitive in to an intellectual parlor game.

4. Sex is a form of death. Psychological death. Death is scary. We really really want it, and really really don’t, both, at the same time. Thus, the subject of sex is eternally confusing.

5. As your own posts suggest, the best remedy for a sex talk hunger, may be sex itself.

[uglypeoplefucking]

sex, like anything else, gets mundane after a while - it’s not actually all that interesting to talk about for very long, once all the taboos are put aside, and people get past the thrill of being naughty, and the hollywood glamourizations, it’s just another basic human activity - is there a philosophy of sleeping? sex is probably about as exciting to ponder as that.

not that sex isn’t fun and worth pursuing - it’s a skill worth developing - just that on an intellectual level it’s not terribly stimulating

[Stoic_Guardian]

Hey ugf do you want to join Me an Cotras planned coup to overthrow South American Goverments and establish our own principalities where we also maintain our own Harems?

[Arcturus_Descending]

A chicken and an egg are lying in bed. The chicken is smoking a cigarette with a satisfied smile on its face and the egg is frowning and looking put out. The egg mutters to no one in particular, “I guess we answered that question.”

[uglypeoplefucking]

@Stoic Guardian

Hey ugf do you want to join Me an Cotras planned coup to overthrow South American Goverments and establish our own principalities where we also maintain our own Harems?

harems? i’m so in.

[James_L_Walker]

Speak for yourself. I have sex all the time.

To Contra: A hermaphodite? WTF?

[_Outside]

@J Appleseed

So from a deeply philosophical point-of-view, I would like to explore the reasons why we, as a species, seem to be so incapable of speaking openly and honestly about that which most forcefully moves us to action.

I think because words become passionate even in philosophical terms. I know that’s not an excuse for so many of us to choose not to share these talks so openly. However, if they were shared so openly wouldn’t sex just become a over analyzed deed. To speak so openly about something so powerful in simple terms isn’t giving it the proper respect.

To be so open and honest about something so intimate with someone you hardly know wouldn’t give you the understanding you truly wanted but sharing this view with someone intimately close to you who can apply this knowledge and add to it respectfully would complete you a hundred times more… Nothing like sitting down with someone that knows you inside and out.

I am sorry if i seem old fashion.

[erutxet]

@uglypeoplefucking

sex, like anything else, gets mundane after a while - it’s not actually all that interesting to talk about for very long, once all the taboos are put aside, and people get past the thrill of being naughty, and the hollywood glamourizations, it’s just another basic human activity - is there a philosophy of sleeping? sex is probably about as exciting to ponder as that.

not that sex isn’t fun and worth pursuing - it’s a skill worth developing - just that on an intellectual level it’s not terribly stimulating

I agree with these ideas. Sex isn’t interesting to talk about at all, doing it is the fun part! If you’re lacking sex in your life you should watch pornography and masturbate to straighten you out. After you cum you’ll be bored of it all and be able to turn to philosophical matters again without resentment.

[The_Golden_Turd]

Okay new poster… it’s my turn to be the pariah, so I’ll play the part of the insensitive prude who hides from his internal world, and will slinker off after this post from this thread.

I’m gonna go put on a wife beater, crack open a beer (cause I am a alcoholic incapable of self expression or reflection) and go beat my goat that I keep chained up out back, because I am incapable of expressing my inner emotions, and never ever ever talk about them openly here on the forum. Alabama Man!

[0belafekete0]

Sex is both under and overestimated philosophically and psychologically. Now its a given that Freudanism thinks Sex is the culprit behind All problems. Well I agree a point. Jung was able to rise above it and see it more in perspective. But the point is that some people don’t have perspective. They have a lot of fear, guilt about it. Death, Sex. and sanity are connected and we fear them all. Fear has to do with our true primal self, our existential self. The conventional self fears that needs to be dealt with cognitively and can’t. So it represses it. it is both: a basic function AND a tool for enlightenment. The way you use the tool.(Literally and figuratively shapes the way you deal with sex. There are many ways. I think sex is necessary, and if you think its “evil”, then its a necessary evil.

[Gobbo]

I am known for having a lot of sex with women I maybe should not.

It fills some void — no pun intended.

I don’t see what this has to do with talking about sex on a philosophy forum.

[Mr_Reasonable]

Appleseed, have we met? I’m the resident self serving glutonous contrarian and I do drugs and have sex literally all the time. There was a naked drunk woman with a phd in my house at 6 am I was gonna bang her but she wanted 3 of us that were here to all do her. She was too wasted and wanted us to act like she was special. Total turn off. I let her slob it then made her sleep in a chair. Then pretended to be sleeping until she was gone. I could go on and on dude.

[Arcturus_Descending]

@Gobbo

I am known for having a lot of sex with women I maybe should not.

It fills some void — no pun intended.

I don’t see what this has to do with talking about sex on a philosophy forum.

If it actually did fill a void, wouldn’t there be less instead of more?

[0belafekete0]

@Smears

Appleseed, have we met? I’m the resident self serving glutonous contrarian and I do drugs and have sex literally all the time. There was a naked drunk woman with a phd in my house at 6 am I was gonna bang her but she wanted 3 of us that were here to all do her. She was too wasted and wanted us to act like she was special. Total turn off. I let her slob it then made her sleep in a chair. Then pretended to be sleeping until she was gone. I could go on and on dude.

. See petshop boys video Its A Sin. In your opinion would the nun be special? Even if she just thought herself special?

[0belafekete0]

@0belafekete0

@Smears

Appleseed, have we met? I’m the resident self serving glutonous contrarian and I do drugs and have sex literally all the time. There was a naked drunk woman with a phd in my house at 6 am I was gonna bang her but she wanted 3 of us that were here to all do her. She was too wasted and wanted us to act like she was special. Total turn off. I let her slob it then made her sleep in a chair. Then pretended to be sleeping until she was gone. I could go on and on dude.

. See petshop boys video Its A Sin. In your opinion would the nun be special? Even if she just thought herself special?

. Or maybe she was jewish, well nebish, maybe half, would her ideations of her position in a world full of paranoid hatred prevent you from getting a hard on, and what if she really needed you , --and if she was wasted wouldn’t your rejection be not only unkind, but maybe she was mossad? And what if she thought you were some kind of ubermench would that appeal to you at least from a humanitarian point of view?

[0belafekete0]

@0belafekete0

@0belafekete0

@Smears

Appleseed, have we met? I’m the resident self serving glutonous contrarian and I do drugs and have sex literally all the time. There was a naked drunk woman with a phd in my house at 6 am I was gonna bang her but she wanted 3 of us that were here to all do her. She was too wasted and wanted us to act like she was special. Total turn off. I let her slob it then made her sleep in a chair. Then pretended to be sleeping until she was gone. I could go on and on dude.

. See petshop boys video Its A Sin. In your opinion would the nun be special? Even if she just thought herself special?

. Or maybe she was jewish, well nebish, maybe half, would her ideations of her position in a world full of paranoid hatred prevent you from getting a hard on, and what if she really needed you , --and if she was wasted wouldn’t your rejection be not only unkind, but maybe she was mossad? And what if she thought you were some kind of ubermench would that appeal to you at least from a humanitarian point of view?

. I can’t blame her or you for that matter, I think wandering into a fraternity trying to get gang banged and then having to decide how to blow figuratively or for real,I guess that was settled ----but still , once she crashes maybe you’ll let her sit next to you in the cafetria, Ii could tell stories too, and its hard to get stuck on someone, especially if your cheating on your husband.—and don’t say go back to Bleuler.