Sexual Fascism in Progressive America

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Sexual Fascism in Progressive America

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this fixation of yours on sexual matters is not
very constructive. It is only one part of a very
large puzzle…That puzzle includes the attacks on
civil rights, personal rights and constitutional rights.
Sexual rights belong in the personal rights area, of
which homosexuals have been going under attack
for the last 6 years. … So it’s more then one area then
is under attack, and you must work with every area, not
just the one area you are interested in.

For the record, I only approve of sexual relations between
consenting adults, over 18. If you are a consenting adult, 18,
you can only be with consenting adults. What the choice
of consenting adults is your issue, not mine, it must be an
consenting adult. Your sexual issues are not my problem as
long as its with consenting adults.

Kropotkin

Kropotkin

18? Isn’t that a little silly though? Honestly, how many people here were still virgins at the age of 18? I’ll put money on not many.
16 is a more reasonable age. Personally, I like the German way of doing it where
14-18=OK
18+=OK.
Or it was something like that. Helps prevent predators. Would rather see the 14 rounded up to 15, 14 is pretty young, but not uncommon. If laws don’t reflect reality, they don’t do any good.

That said, pedophiles are terrible criminals and I have no problem with them being ‘scapegoated’. They deserve what they have comin’.

Xunzian:18? Isn’t that a little silly though? Honestly, how many people here were still virgins at the age of 18? I’ll put money on not many.
16 is a more reasonable age. Personally, I like the German way of doing it where
14-18=OK
18+=OK.
Or it was something like that. Helps prevent predators. Would rather see the 14 rounded up to 15, 14 is pretty young, but not uncommon. If laws don’t reflect reality, they don’t do any good.
That said, pedophiles are terrible criminals and I have no problem with them being ‘scapegoated’. They deserve what they have comin’."

K: I still stand by what I say, about 18+ as consenting adults.
Once I found my 14 year old daughter with an 22 year old guy
in her room. He got out before I found my baseball bat.
I would have hit him until he stopped moving but he got away.
Darn. Anyway as far as pedophiles go, if you cannot control your sexual
habits, then you are a danger no matter what the sexual habit is,
be it children, animals, women whatever, you need help and
you need help, now. If they are unable to control themselves,
then they need mental help, not 'scapegoating".

Kropotkin

The term ‘scapegoating’ was placed in quotes, because while the argument was defined as it occuring, I don’t see it as a problem. As you said, those who cannot control their urges don’t deserve a place in society.

That said, would your reaction have been as strong if your 22 year old son were with a 14 year old girl? Think about it before you reply. I have no doubt you’d be upset, but upset enough to take a bat to him?

Xunzian:The term ‘scapegoating’ was placed in quotes, because while the argument was defined as it occurring, I don’t see it as a problem. As you said, those who cannot control their urges don’t deserve a place in society.
That said, would your reaction have been as strong if your 22 year old son were with a 14 year old girl? Think about it before you reply. I have no doubt you’d be upset, but upset enough to take a bat to him?"

K: as upset, perhaps, I can’t say on a hypothetical, but I would
be very disappointed, because I would hope I had raised him
well enough to know, you don’t ever sleep with underage girls.
That’s how one spends time in prison. In the old days,
if an older boy (18+) slept with an underage girl, the girl’s mom,
would decide his fate, arrested or whatever. The laws
changed in the last few years to shift that from the mom, to the
police. I am not sure that law changed for the best.

Kropotkin

Ditto. Damn we actually agree, how very odd

With regards,

aspacia

Too young.

Sure.

Teens will probably always have sex with other teens, common. My problem is when an adult predator seduces a child.

Pedophiles need to control their urges and quit playing “not my fault game.”

:evilfun: Yes, and you are correct, children often indulge in sex, and with frequent devastating results.

PUT SOMETHING IN THE WATER AND ONLY PROVIDE AND ANTIDOTE FOR THOSE OLD ENOUGH TO ECONOMICALLY AND EMOTIALLY CARE FOR THE MUNCHKINS.

Ah, Hell. I had my son when I was 25, and was overwhelmed; how in the hell do you think a teen will behave. Little sleep, little rest; you do not have a “me, myself and I” life for a very long time if you are a “great” parent.

With regards,

aspacia

Peter Kropotkin:
For the record, I only approve of sexual relations between
consenting adults, over 18. If you are a consenting adult, 18,
you can only be with consenting adults. What the choice
of consenting adults is your issue, not mine, it must be an
consenting adult. Your sexual issues are not my problem as
long as its with consenting adults".

Aspacia: Ditto. Damn we actually agree, how very odd

K: My viewpoints are based in reality and common sense.
So its not hard to agree with me. :laughing:

Kropotkin

LOL, YOU BET CHA. MY SON IS 27 AND I WOULD FUCKING DISOWN HIM IF HE INDULGED IN HAVING SEX WITH AN UNDERAGE TEEN.

A long time ago, when he was 10 -14, he was told, “My house, my rules, and I am the one legally responsible. You cause me real grief regarding the law, your fucking ass is in Juvenile Hall and I will pay the $800.00 to keep you there until you fucking learn how to behave!”

He realized that I do not lie and when I use this language I really meant business, expecially since I am 5’3" and, at the time, he was 5’9."

Currently, he is is 6’2" adult, loves me, my other half and is really a great young adult.

At times tough love is necessary.

Aren’t you glad I was not your mum! I was a total pain in the ass. Ah, but the kid turned out find.

One proud mum.

The reason that an adult should not be allowed to have sex with a child is because their insight into human relationships and abstract thinking aren’t developed yet.

That’s why children aren’t allowed to sign up for credit cards.

It’s quite simple.

fixation, yes. what a patronizing ass you are.

I once again blame the age group on this site for the inability to see the logic in this kind of stuff.

Most of you were children just a hand full of years ago. That means that means that you recently escaped childhood and have a certain sympathy for the “rights” of children, while not exactly having a full understanding of what it means to be an adult.

Being an adult has to do with getting past sex and getting into the relationship aspect of things. The average 50 or 60 year old is much more interested in cerebral relationships, than what hole they’re going to stick it in. That has been done to death.

So, sex with a kid is far less important than preparing the kid for relating to others.

Anyway, I would like someone to answer my credit card question. Why is it that we don’t allow children to sign up for credit cards?

becos they don’t have any money.

Who are you to decide such a thing? What right do you have to make such a decision for other people and other people’s children?

In some countries the age of sexual consent is as low as 14 and since those places haven’t completely fallen apart due to rampant pedophilia and teenage pregnancy and whathaveyou I think that it’s safe to assume that some people as young as 14 are just as capable (physically/emotionally) of having sex as you or I. Not all, not by any stretch of the imagination. But a sufficient number to refute your claim…

At first I thought you wrote Bacos.

Really, well many credit cards sign-up forms can be found on college campuses and many of those people don’t have money either. It’s assumed that they are planning on making wages in the future, so it’s a good risk.

Anyway, the point is that no one under 18 can sign a contract. It might be great to have a ten year old spy for the military. Why is such a thing not allowed?

Personally, I do find the 14-16 age bracket a little distasteful, but I’d be a hypocrite to judge them too harshly. That said, to create a law that bans teens from having sex with each other is really quite silly. Laws like that block access to birth control and other very important safe-sex measures.

A 40 year old in a relationship with a 15 year old, heck, an 18 year old, is not only pretty sick but also pretty pathetic. Similarly, a 22 year old in a relationship with a 14 year old is sick and pathetic. But an 18 year old and a 14 year old? Pathetic, perhaps, but I remember seeing it happen quite a lot.

To make a common occurance illegal does not make sense, because you defraud law in that manner. If laws aren’t meant to be followed, then the whole ‘rule of law’ idea falls apart. Wiggle room is important in any system, but not a hole you can drive a truck through. So then, where do we draw the line? With what we are comfortable with, as we gingerly sip our tea, or what best models reality in an enforcable manner?

Most posters, including me, will make similar claims regarding common sense and reality. :sunglasses:

In the US there are age ranges in the law. I think in my state the age is either 14 or 16 but that does not mean that a 40 year old can hook up with a 14 year old.

The law is designed to be kind to those in a close and upper-limit age group, but to to those in a vastly different mental and experiential range.

And that’s all I’ve been arguing for.