Well, that’s reality as I know it.
Excellent. Just don’t want people to confuse pedophilia with normal goings-ons. Statements like sex shouldn’t happen until over the age of 18 are silly. Statements like 50 year olds shouldn’t be having relations with those under 18 are not.
Because they are not of legal age, and legally, everything they own belongs to their parents. Hence, teens are not financially responsible. However, if a working teen indulges in vandalism, their paychecks, not their parents’, are garnished for economic compensation.
A long time ago I nailed the kid for arguing with me; took his television, nintendo, disconnected the phone. He screamed “You can’t do that, I purchased the television with my own money.” 
He called the police department and discovered that I own every item in the home. My son quickly learned how to play the game by the rules…
The big problem in discussions like this that people talk about “sex” as if it were a one dimensional thing, when in fact it may be one of the most important activities in your life. It’s linked to successful family development, which is linked to having good mental health, which is then linked to the good mental and physical well-being of whatever children are produced.
I kind of think that young people are too consumed by the anxiety of their preordained future, or they simply don’t have the vision, to talk about it with any meaning. I want to hear about the scope of sex from an insightful 80 year old.
I know what you mean, but saying “not of legal age” is slave talk. Some other person came up with the idea of legal age, and maybe they were crazy or operating out of some weird belief system. So, the concept “of age” needs to be explained if people that want to be free-thinking are to follow it.
A key to it all is that children do not have insight into their own behavior, the behavior of others, or the twists and turns of the world. In fact, for many people this stuff doesn’t kick in until their thirties.
This is why a child is likely to get into a vehicle via an offer of candy and a 40 year old woman won’t do the same for a thousand dollars.
Of course you know, this has been my issue of the day for the last five-and-a-half years.
I couldn’t agree more with the motives for this article. Sad too that the author had to hide his identity behind “PARIAH.”
I recall reading an article shortly after 9/11 advising that “perversion” was one of the best ways to fight the good fight: “do something kinky” for freedom and democracy!
Anyway, let your conscience be your guide. If you are fortunate to be able to see more of the beauty in the world than the masses can, thank God.
The undermining of child-freedoms is a long process in the West, as I mentioned in another thread, I’m not sure that this issue is even about sex, the right to work, the right to drink, the right to drive, the right to make any sort of decission about your own fate whatever-- all these child-freedoms are being cut away. The days when your barmitzva at 13 made you a man are long gone. The days of child-kings, even minor-heads-of-household are over.
I don’t think this issue is really about sex. @anticyclone, we do agree that this subject is a hysteria, but I’m not yet convinced that it’s about the last stand of sexual-conservatism as you said in another thread. Maybe I could buy that it is a last stand for “evil,” that these days there are so few individuals who can be called unmitigatedly evil that this one has just been jumped on, like some sort of tiny common ground of hate that all modern persons can share in. So post-modernity has not shattered all shared interests, there is still one Emmanuel Goldstein.
Or in the same vein, that children could be held up as one thing which all humanity can call sacred, God is dead, democracy is debatable, nothing is “self-evident” but at least children are our future. What monument can go in the center of a city-squre that would not offend someone? A children’s playground.
Anyway, we live in a time of secrecy. I wouldn’t bring this article up at an in person philosophy club if I were you. You might find this site interesting: hfp.puellula.com/ and Lindsay Ashford who “came out of the closet” on this one. Not too many others have done so, nor would it be advisable to.
Gorgias,
I mentioned in another thread that your thought pprocess reminds me a lot of a sex offender.
That certainly doesn’t mean that you are, but it certainly seems like you’re well into the ideology. So, what is your level of motivation to personally challenge the common wisdom.
G.
Ah…I haven’t been reading that thread.
Anyway, I’m sure that I could defend many different types of actions that I have no interest in doing. That can be fun as an argument challenge, when done knowingly.
However, when one argues or supports a point without much thought given to the matter and without any plans on engaging in the behavior then that seems more like “fighting” than a search for truth and understanding.
That’s why I asked you about the content of your mind on this issue. Do you support the right to fight about it in the abstract or the right to do it?
G.
I have always been attracted to women that I perceive as intelligent and physically fit.
That’s because I enjoy having good friends and am especially partial to having a “best†friend to share ideas with. I tend not to be sexually attracted to people that I don’t find psychologically engaging on some level. My sexual taste does not involve someone that I can “hoodwink†or is so dumb that they will fuck me.
I’ve always been the kind of person that looks out for others and I believe that to be a very primal male motivation. So, I tend to view relationships as part of “looking out for†behavior and am a loyal person.
So, I take a dim view of “sexual experiences†and “sport†because I view them as part of the compartmentalization that is easily achieved in a complex society. One can live 5000 miles away from the woman that you just had an “encounter†with, got pregnant, and never have to see or think about her again. Much less dramatic examples occur as an emotional aftermath of engaging in an extreme act of interest in an indifferent manner though.
Those are the reasons why I judge taking a sexual interest in children to be a perversion.
Good point.
Thanks for your honesty as per your sexuality.
If our perspectives on this (and many more) topics are set by our personal psychologies, what is the function of argument here? Flashy adverts would be more useful to persuade. But then we don’t want to persuade anyone, it’s more about ego: “reading and being read.”
I disagree with the last bit.
There not much discussion about the utility of being exposed to large amounts of Plutonium and if thoughts and behaviors had such materialistic effects (they really do), then I believe that this discussion would be perceived in the same light.
From your last statement, it appears that you are operating in the abstract as I suspected.
‘’’ i’ll let TheAdlerian answer that.
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i think you’ve hit the nail on the head Xunzian. the opinions people have on sexual matters are rarely objective. it is easy to perceive other people as distasteful, sick & pathetic when they are interacting sexually or romantically, & so we do. the less power those people have to react against our blanket subjectivity, the more distasteful, sick & pathetic we find them.
bad Gorgias, challenging ‘the common wisdom’! that shows you are not a real philisopher. the common wisdom is the source of all truth. now drink yr hemlock you corrupter of youth.
… teaching. isn’t that corrupting innocence? knowledge, isn’t that the forbidden fruit somewhere? hmmm.
Hmmm…I think that you’re quoting me out of context.
As I mentioned, I think that some activities are as dangerous to the mind as radiation is to the body and have provided a long explanation as to why sexual relationships with children are the desire of a limited immature mind. So, if you’re looking to me as a source to support human degradation and perversion, then you’ve come to the wrong person.
its just as well that explanation is based on ignorance, otherwise i wld be obliged to read it. where is it anyway?
i guess ghandi, plato, mahommad, robert baden powell, charles dodgeson, john ruskin, mark twain & t.h. white are all excellent examples of limited immature minds – in comparison to yrs that is, being that it is attracted to women you ‘perceive as intelligent and physically fit’. do you check their teeth?
anyway, i shldn’t be surprised if mr spock were attracted to intelligent & physically fit women too. vulcan women of crs, becos a vulcan attracted to nonvulcans is self evidently distasteful, sick & pathetic.
anticyclone:
i guess ghandi, plato, mahommad, robert baden powell, charles dodgeson, john ruskin, mark twain & t.h. white are all excellent examples of limited immature minds – in comparison to yrs that is, being that it is attracted to women you ‘perceive as intelligent and physically fit’. do you check their teeth?
anyway, i shldn’t be surprised if mr spock were attracted to intelligent & physically fit women too. vulcan women of crs, becos a vulcan attracted to nonvulcans is self evidently distasteful, sick & pathetic."
K: I distrust arguments that require the authority of others, such
as "Gandhi is a limited… Those arguments are cheap and mean
absolutely nothing because you cannot prove or disprove what
statement in question. then you bring up spock, as if that shows
in any, way, shape or form what your argument is trying to show.
It is immaterial, what spock, a totally fictional character, does
or doesn’t do. Stick to facts, and if you don’t have those, then all
you got are opinions, and state them as opinions.
Bring out some real arguments or go home.
Kropotkin
Ignorance of what, facts about the value of experience and abstract thinking? It’s not even a debate that children lack these qualities.
I’m sure you’re dragging many of these names through the mud, but an appeal to someone’s fame is hardly a basis for a discussion on sound judgment and healthy behavior.
Yes, I was describing a well rounded adult; why would anyone want to be involved with one of those when you can engage in a cowardly relationship with a child.
You, like the other person, are viewing these issues in the abstract, and you’ve watched too much television, by the way.
Isn’t there a Canadian show with a 60+ year-old women discussing sex? I have heard that she goes into great detail regarding the best sex toys and how to effectively use them.
But, still some legal adults will accept a ride with strangers.
Again, what is with the slave comment?