Should I read philosophers?

My view of the world is entirely scientific. I strongly beleive in evolution and the big bang. I beleive that everything is random, that we are just molecules, and nothing has purpose. In short I beleive everything science tells or implies.

From the few philosopical articles I read, philosophers search for truth is to some degree independant of science.

Unfortunetely I have no time in my life to doubt science. Since I beleive that science is most likely correct, I take it as the basic level of my undestanding of the universe. Therefore every philosopher writing which doubts science, or doesn’t entirely rely on it, is worthless for me.

Do you know philosophers for whom science is sacred as for me? If so, maybe I should read them. If not, will I gain better knowledge of the universe by reading other philosophers?

the sacred cow of science? read hume… he did try to argue that science should take the place of god…

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then ask yourself, what makes science anymore believable than any other leap of faith?

-Imp

Popper, Hume, Khun et al… good luck being a scientist without understanding these Philosophers of Science.

Because the leap does not go from complete ignorance to enlightenment in one hop.

Obw,
Applause!!!

While I tend to believe in your worldview, why do you have any interest at all in philosophy if all you really want to read about is science? After all, philosophers are interested in truth, whether it is mathematical, scientific, or something else…

no, a leap is a leap. both are logically worthless.

-Imp

You would like Dennett, and you should read Rorty to give yourself a gut check, if you are not willing to question your beliefs you are worthless, and are letting down the scientific community.

a fools beleif holds near no value.

belive in logic and reason, science will only help you in parts.

Yes, you should read philosophers.

Science without philosophy is like an infant driving a tank.

isnt that the case already with the government and the millitary…

when they make choices its all for self.

Well, I suppose I’m quite scientific. I believe science gives us access to certain truths about the physical world, and I can’t think why anyone would deny that.

But - science is compatible with most philosophies. One can anything from a theist to the most hardcore positivist and still affirm that science is useful and gives us access to truths.

So yeah … read philosophers. You’d probably like Hume and Russell.

Logic and reason are scientific products. I trust them no more than my belief in science. You can look at this from different angles. However you must have some ultimate truth. For me it is science, for you it is logic and reason. Nothing beats anything, it is a random choice.

Now, I’ll try those philosophers you mentioned. There are also others who deal with society and psychology. Maybe I can try those.

yes i know but science cant decide everything for you, logic and reason can. how can science be an ultimate truth it it doesnt answer all questionse of sense posed to you, question of morals, social situations etc

science can only teach you the laws and enhabitants of our reality.
the rest is down to your own logic and reasoning.

Philosphy is a window into the nature of things. Science is Windex so you can actually see thru the window.

I’m not sure philosophy will be of any use to you, Eugene.

On the one hand, the fact that you are here indicates an interest in philosophy.

On the other, it sounds like you have it all figured out and self-contained.

I suppose, philosophy, like many other things, is a function of what you really want from it. If you want to verify your existing philosophy more strongly, you can certainly read philosophers who will do that.

If you want to read viewpoints different from your own, you can certainly do that.

There really is no “great divide” as far as I’m concerned between philosophy and science. Science IS philosophy, allbeit a highly effective one when it comes to manipulating things about in “reality” to do certain tasks.

My suggestion to you would be to sit down and think about what it is science really “knows” some fine day. Then, after you consider personally what you think it “knows” go out and about and read some books on what other people think it knows.

Philosophy, I think, always starts at the individual level and then emanates outwards from there.

Damn you, Dunamis- Wittgenstein always gets on my nerves. :wink:

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You should be able to gain something by reading any one of the philosophers. Philosophy is a game of exploring other ideas to deeper levels than we normally would.

just my two cents, anyway… :wink: