It is obvious that one should be moral, however, due to observation, those who are moral live in a life with hard labor, suffers, almost non-happy, But those who say moral is good, they are honorable people and be remember, and they get to go to heaven.
However the conflict is, the immoral person, is cunning like a serpent, knows how to acheive its goals, whether it would be justified or not. He is
like a daring person, which alot of people likes, fun, takes short cuts, buisness minded. They may not be honoarable, but do to sue cunningness they can be honorable and be remember. When someone talks about heaven, he will say it is the present life that is real.
If everyone was immoral, the earth would be a complete disaster. To say one is merely “moral” is different than to one is “religious”. A lot of people we regard as immoral (i.e. terrorists) claim to do their deeds in order to get to heaven. So, in their own eyes, they are moral.
“Morality” needs a definition.
We must define moral in one of two ways (but not both):
Either “moral” is what is most conducive to society’s continual operation as a whole.
It is the sense of understanding what matters to me not the study of grammar. It would be good though to master grammar but that is not my interest in this forum. I want answers.
In defining moral, there is a definition but one can give an opinion or an account what it means to be moral. But what I really what to know is who would live better or do well in the present life.
I was thinking moments ago, one can be immoral and gain many things and desires, but it will effect the person way of doing and thinking, no longer will he be respected by most of his friends, if someone declares he is immoral. Ex. if somebody sue somebody in a car accident, and he lies to the court that his car was damage before collision and wins, he wins money but as a person ( eternal thing ) he has change into a immoral person.
Taught morality comes from human leaders.
In the passed it was religious leaders and governors
In the present it is the same.
These people want a certain order to exist in society.
taught morality means that all individuals [hopefully] have the same goal/values.
Religion is a form of government.
Anarchists and social parasites hate/bypass morality.
If you are “immoral” you are living by your own “morals” instead of [living for] the “morals” of the people around you.
Bible arguments of the “sheep like ones” vs the “goats” all has to do with obedience Do what I tell you, and you will not die. The fear of death and higher power is the flue for bible commandments that have no logical explanation included.
Only truly wise people can defy their moral brothers then create better morals for themselves.
There are also economic sub-structures that feed off of “immoral” people. Porn and drugs have A LOT of money going into them.
No man is free if he cannot control himself.
Hence, my explanation of the creators of morality, the reasons for it and the value/need for morality.
Like the aphoristic style there Dan. First of all before decided on whether or not we should/shouldn’t/ or even can act moral, you need to think about another question, which BMW-GUY already posited:
What is morality?
Personally, lately I’ve been seeing our actions as being driven by circumstantial situations and if that’s correct, we may not always be able to act “moral” and it could be somewhat of a concieved notion.
The old argument is that with out evil we would not have good.
This applies to morality. There have been times the immoral has helped humanity and times when the moral have harmed humanity.
We need immoral people around as reminders the same with moral people. From that end we must walk the path that suits us best. The average human teeters from one side to the other anyway.
Point out an upstanding moral person and I bet we could find that at some point they were immoral. We all lie to some degree or other, We all have at some point in our lives done wrong or evil. Most of us redeem by working not to do it again.
Yes, but if morality is a “utilitarian approach to everyday ethics”, then how do we distinguish it from virtue? What I mean is, if we believe that morality is what “actions are best for the continuation of society as a whole”, then how are we going to define virtue? Or is virtue simply the term for religion-based morality?
I’m just curious as to your thoughts on this. Thanks.
True morality is spawned by a deep understanding of mental/physical human health. Each morality has its own perpose and goal. My own morals and views were initiated by Jesus long ago, but I am trying to take a different path towards “righteousness”. I don’t do things for “God” [which would indirectly be for the religious leaders], I, instead, do what I do for a complex reason. There is an order of importance in my mind. I put myself above others, but put my un-nessisary wants below both myself and others. My morality is based on health and unity [which is true power].
Here is small quote from my book project:
This is a work in progress so please help me if there are big grammer problems :S
Also don’t be spiteful of this^
This is a deep part of who I am as a person.
Dan,
your post speaks loudly of trueness, I hold no religion I can not fall before a god, but, I hold spiritually that truths you speak of fear. Very nicely put Dan.
I am going to have to be completely in agreement with W.J.
Virtue is the defined nature of “good” in action. Virtue exceeds where morals, and most often ethics, fail.
Living virtuously may at times lead a person away from accepted morals and ethics. This is because virtue is, of itself, only the action of “goodness”.
Well done W.J.
That is why “immorality” can be perceived as having positive consequences, in the egocentric sense. Morality is not defined in an absolute sense of “goodness” or “evilness”, but is a collective societal definition, often based on situational ethics.
Morality: Murder is wrong.
Morality with situational ethics: The slave was justified in murdering his master.
Virtue: No human is to be slave or master, and murder is not justifiable.
Virtue is the most difficult standard of all to live by, in my opinion.
