Should people marry? It seems that God would forbid it.
Christian scriptures say that in heaven, there is no marriage.
When the dead rise, they will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven. biblehub.com/mark/12-25.htm
As above so below, on earth as it is in heaven, indicates that when God returns to reclaim dominion from Satan, marriage will be abolished.
Why then do most religion of the Abrahamic root advocate marriage at all. Especially the polygamy. God does not favor marriage. If no two souls are to marry in heaven, then the law on earth should be that no two people marry.
We should emulate Jesus in all things and remember that as a Jew, he was almost forced by tradition to marry yet never did even though Gnostic Christian scriptures show him as loving Mary Magdalen more than his male disciples. Even kissing her on the (unknown parts). That is why I suggest that Jesus married Mary. Marriage was expected of all Rabbis.
This modern Gnostic Christian thinks marriage is the way to go, with a single mate, be that a mate of the same gender or not. Love is what is important. Not gender. That aside, I think that frees choice should reign in this issue.
Do you think we should abolish marriage and move closer to God’s heavenly law?
Marriage is a hypocrisy. For one is isn’t about trust, it’s actually about a lack of trust, trying to control people through symbolic gestures of fidelity rather than trusting the relationship. For two it is a way to mark people as sexual property, which is a lie. For three, it is a form of social hierarchy and dominance which is a form of rewarding conspicuous consumption aggression, and it makes people feel worse about themselves who don’t have partners by seeing people flaunt it like this, which contributes to the suicide rates. Married people are raging psychopaths.
“As above, so below” isn’t a Christian principle. Marriage is obviously sanctioned and encouraged by Christianity if you don’t slip sayings from hermetic magic into it for no reason. Once again, you are making arguments about matters you know nothing about.
Also on this from a religious perspective, God is supposedly all knowing… which means that God knows your heart whether you engage in a symbolic gesture or not, so to engage in a symbolic gesture is to state outright to God that you do not believe God is all knowing. This includes things like saluting, bowing, marriage, baptisms etc…
Interesting that you made the point of calling your self a “modern Gnostic Christian”. Is there a distinction between a modern Gnostic Christian and a Gnostic Christian.? If there is, then is there a distinction between a modern Christian and a Christian?
A modern Gnostic Christian is not what most think he is. And yes, our modern beliefs are not like what the ancients thought although it is not far off.
I was thinking like issues of our hate for matter. This is no longer expressed the same way.
As above so below is why we said we hated matter but that was before we recognized the perfection of reality and evolution.
We, like Jesus, now see perfection and God’s kingdom all around us.
As they say in Candid, we live in the best of all possible worlds.
Gnostic Christianity has evolved and Christianity has not as they are idol worshipers and cannot change much although most Christians are not really believers.
Anything is applicable to Christianity if you choose to apply it. Nevertheless, it’s not a Christian moral principle or something advocated by God, so your argument fails. “On Earth as it is in Heaven” is a set of words that you plucked out of context from the Lord’s Prayer. Hell, you aren’t even bothering to use the entire sentence it appears in. “Thy Kingdom Come, thy will be done, on Earth as it is in Heaven”. It is an entreaty for God to have authority on Earth. It isn’t even sort of a ‘as above, so below’ principle, which would be manifestedly obvious to anybody that read the clause in it’s original context.
If you’re going to be ‘tricky’ and take things out of context, at least choose things that a child going to Sunday school wouldn’t be able to correct you on.
Christianity has evolved a lot but just not in a way that aligns with your own view. Seems to me that your actual debate is between modern and orthodox Gnosticism and nothing to do with regular Christianity.
Not really. It has always been Gnostic Christianity and their superior morals against Christian biblical morals that begin with barbaric human sacrifice and God punishing the innocent instead of the guilty.
That is the idiocy we have always fought.
You are correct in that Gnostic Christianity will not align with Christianity. We are not misogynistic and do not discriminate without a just cause.
We never will or can as we are Universalists. Smart Christians will seek Gnostic Christian morality.
Gospel of Thomas… Simon Peter says to them: “Let Mary go out from our midst, for women are not worthy of life!” Jesus says: “See, I will draw her so as to make her male so that she also may become a living spirit like you males. For every woman who has become male will enter the Kingdom of heaven.”
Yes indeed. A strong affirmation from Jesus that women as every bit as good as men.
“Male and Female into a Single One”
The main interest of Saying 22, however, lies in what follows the disciples’ question. Jesus replies: “When you make the two into one, and when you make the inner as the outer, and the upper as the lower, and when you make male and female into a single one, so that the male shall not be male, and the female shall not be female: . . . then you will enter [the kingdom].”
The theme of two-in-oneness appears repeatedly in Gnostic literature. Three variations on it come from the Acts of Judas Thomas. In addition to Mygdonia’s words, already quoted, we might remember that her husband Karish dreams of the eagle that snatches up two partridges and two doves. The following morning he is puzzled when he puts his left shoe on his right foot. In Thomas’s long prayer before his martyrdom, he recites his efforts to carry out his mission, and says: “The inside I have made outside, and the outside [inside], and thy whole fullness has been fulfilled in me.”
What most forget is that the ancient Jews thought God to be androgynous. Gnostic Christian Jesus was a believer in that view.
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Jesus is talking about the feminine and the masculine aspects that exist in all persons. The feminine represents the emotional aspects of humanity, and the masculine represents the logical aspects of humanity. When humans demonstrate dominant masculine aspects at the expense of their feminine, they can suppress their emotions to such an extent as to be without conscience. Also, when humans demonstrate feminine aspects as the expense of their masculine aspects, they can suppress their ability to effectively reason and instead act upon emotion.
Jesus is telling you to find balance, harmony in your masculine and feminine existence. From there you will understand things from a more complete perspective. Then, with a greater balance within your internal self, you then make your external self behave as one with your internal self. When you can see things with your mind’s eye more clearly, it replaces the physical eye. When your hands react according to your internal balance, then they have been replaced.
It’s a simple matter of acknowledging the entire entity- masculine and feminine- that represents the totality of what is you.
So In summary Gnostic view is anti marriage in a similar way to what the OP claims.
If what you claim is true, then it is damning the OP.
Out of regular Bible: “There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus”
It would take an argument against that is convincing to make me change my view though and if the other cannot even do that then it looks like my position is superior and correct.
If the other cannot do that then there is the possibility that you are arrogant and stubborn and refuse to consider other perspectives. This does not by default make your position superior or correct but instead it is your position that “you” are superior and correct (seems to contradict Gnostic views).
But that is just a possible alternative view. I am not suggesting that the position you have on your view or on your self is either correct or incorrect.
