Sick of egocentric religious people...

Would becoming nothingness count as The soul? If we become nothingness we are for One ‘indestructible’ and for two ‘immune from ever dying again’ almost a sense of immortality.

I don’t believe in a temporal or ‘humanly’ existence after death. People, it’s the end of everything you’ve ever known. It’s the end of the personality and the end of the ego.

get over it.

Coca, if that is what you know then I am sure that is how it will be for you. Enjoy it.

Kris, :sunglasses:

You’re skeptical? I’m very skeptical about nothing. Mainly, becoming nothing. There is nothing to become.

There are no properties in nothing. Indestructibility and immortality are properties.

I can debunk myself, especially when it comes to properties in nothingness, or something in nothingness.

Your second sentence here throws me off terribly. You say “if we become nothingness we are for One ‘indestructible’…”, but right there you already have a problem. If we become nothingness then we are no longer a thing. View it on a time line. At point 1 we have me. I’m doodling along and then BAM, at point 2 I become nothing. At this point I don’t cease to be me, I simply cease to be. Therefore its of no use to talk about what properties I have when I become nothing, b/c it doesn’t make a bit of sense.

You’re problem, I think, has to do with your equivocation of the word becoming. For there is a becoming in the sense of adding putting oats together in a pot to become oatmeal. Then there is a becoming in the sense of taking oats out of the pot, where then we just have the pot. Think addition and subtraction.

I could be wayyyy off and somebody tell me if I am so I can improve. Maybe I’m just misunderstanding you. I’m an amateur.

poolie, haha, yeah, ok, let me answer your question. before you write something about nothingness makes sure it has nothing to do with ‘something’ or ‘properties’ in relation to nothingness. You’ll get drilled every time.

I know better than that. tsk tsk tsk

hmmm… You have confused me even more now. Can I ask for a third party to comment on the critique I had of the OP?

Does this make any sense to you?

What I meant was: You know you will end up nothing therefore you will, Those that know they will be doomed to hell or its equivilent will end up with agony etc…, Those that know they will end up in heaven or its equivilent will end up with no agony, etc… Then there are those of us that know we will end up learning and exploring the universe and beyond when our cohesive sentient energy leaves these physical bodies ,not confined to a space or nothingness.
You determine what you are or what will happen. Noone or nothing else can. Belief means doubt. Knowing means no doubt. If you know beyond a shadow of doubt, that you will totally cease, then you will. I sincerely hope you enjoy it, if that is possible.

But if it isn’t, there are no do-overs. I envision incorporeal eternity of loveless despair.

moves across the room just to be safe, that stuff may be contagious

Is this something I should be concerned about or am I the one who is infected?

Get your nose out of your armpit, thats not it. Its that loveless despair you are spreading, :laughing:

I don´t get it. How can nothing have properties? For something to be indestructible or immortal is has to be something.

I´d be lying if I said I was over it. I don´t want to die within 100 years. 1000 would be much better.

Coca,

This topic - the topic of nothingness - has come up for you time and time again. For the sake of us at ILP, please formally tell us how you’re conceptualizing “nothingness”.

Is it:

  1. an actual “thing”,

or

  1. a word we use to refer to the absence of a thing?

This should make a difference to you. If you mean 1), then for you the soul exists, but if you mean 2), the soul, at least as you’ve defined it, can’t exist.

God I hope that’s not true.

Actually, that sounds like something I could believe. Perhaps it could save me from “eternal damnation” :laughing:

In fact the argument that nothing cannot exist is actually a good reason to belive in life after death not the otherway around.

Well Gib lets look at it from a pratical view. If you are fully convinced you are a faliure will you ever be able to succeed? No.

As you pass from this world and you know you are doomed to hell or its equivilent you will leave this world fearful, hurt, angry etc… These are your last emotional bursts and thoughts. If we leave our body as a soul/ energy form, our soul will hold the form of our last knowledge of self. So, being in pain, hurt and angry do you really think its going to be pleasant? You know that you are doomed to suffer, so in light of being convinced you will, you will suffer. I am probably not saying this right or clearly so I apologize but, it is as simple as the old phrase “you are what you eat”

We and everything are already nothing.
Nothingness does not disappear because things come into existence.
Nothingness is just obscured by things.

Nothing cannot be obscured. There is nothing to be obscured. nothing cannot interact with things. The only thing that can be obscured is something.