Skepticism Of Both Socialism And Capitalism.

The capitalists rail against the socialists on the grounds that the centralized public bureaucratic state is corrupt while the socialists rail against the capitalists as being equally corrupt on privatized held conglomerates.

Neither side can be taken seriously for socialism and capitalism are equally flawed in that both sides don’t acknowledge the corruptibility of human nature.

It is because both sides refuses to acknowledge human nature that it is more sensible to be skeptical of both forms of thinking.

Until the corruptibility of human nature is acknowledged nothing will change.

It is because of such that both systems are abhorrent in that each deny the existential component of corruptible human nature.

Equilibrium will never be found in either.

I don’t think human nature is inherently corruptible.

I think both systems encourage corruption, indeed, rely upon it.

In short, I disagree entirely.

For that position to be true you would have to prove how human nature isn’t inherently corruptible.

Lots of luck with that…

I have already stated how both systems are doomed to epic failure for refusing to acknowledge human nature as being corruptible.

I’m not a fan of either socialism or capitalism, but it seems to me both systems assume human nature can be corrupted and each has its own methods of trying to stop this. Socialists tending towards education and training and propaganda and legislation/prisons as tools to fight corruption, capitalists doing much of the same. Not saying they do this well or aim these things the right way or ethically, but I am not sure where you got this idea.

i think both socialism and capitalism offer certain benefits for me…people need to use their frontal lobes more to behave in a civilized manner…
i love the socialism in my township…i love the capitalism at my local car repair shop…

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I agree with Mr Walker, what’s the common denominator? Human, you can change your clothes, your fashion, your government, your religion, your ideology, but genes are not so easy. Humans are selfish, you fucktarded progressives got everything backwards, top down, you see, altruism is corruption and perversion of our nature, so is asceticism, retards, working diligently for little reward is called slavery, your protestant work ethic is servile, its internalised slavery.

Sure humans are these things. But do capitalists and socialists really not know this?

Misusing words again? When do Progressives encourage altruism in its original sense? They encourge a raise in human welfare, i.e against minimum wage that you cant live on, bad working conditions, child labor, in favor of public sanitation health etc.

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Welcome to the Human Zoo. Please enjoy your stay but dont touch the animals for fear of collectivized insanity. O:)

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Some capitalists know this, they know culture attempts to correct human nature, and civilization attempts to correct nature, make human nature and nature more docile, domesticated and subservient to the ruling class. Capitalism and communism are methods of manipulating and exploiting the stupidity of the lower classes, nothing more, just as religions and fear of the Gods were once used. Trouble is, the elite have bit off more than they can chew, and now their plans are backfiring on them, as resources are being depleted at an accelerated pace, faster than they can be replenished, and some of the worker peons/cogs are waking up, as the ruling class has given us too few rewards, and too many sticks, too soon, although some of us are a lost cause. I say, to hell with democracy, capitalism, socialism and republicanism, as all systems inevitably wind up being controlled by/for a select few. What we need now is more individuals doing there own thing,abusing the system-robbing,looting,slacking off, not paying taxes.

Great a convert, quiters…

Doesn’t anarchism presume human nature is basically good more than any other political ‘system’?

I meant progressivism in a broader sense, their ideology, regardless of whether they actually believe in it, is as follows- nature is ‘good’ i.e. self sacrificing, nurture is ‘evil’ i.e. self interested. Of course the reverse is true, but progressives aren’t interested in truth, they’re interested in deluding themselves and/or others. Regardless of what you believe, you cannot change who you are, you may call yourself a progressive, but your innate nature will surface from time to time, you would know this as sin. Progressives erroneously believe, 1000s of years of patriarchy, religion, free will, intellect/reason and human meddling have made us selfish, hedonistic, racist, sexist and competative (lol, retards), and their solution is to restore human nature, back to its pristine condition, ‘when the lion layed down with the lamb’, and man was a vegan, by removing either removing discipline, law and order (libertarianism), by letting women and children run wild, or by actively, promoting mans ‘innate’…

altruistic tendencies. Man has some innate altruistic and cooperative tendencies, but the vast majority of time, despite years of eugenics and eugenocide, you would know this as law and order, mans innate altruistic tendencies are a means to an end, the end being, preservation of self, but everything is backwards in your world, up is down, and left is right, nature is love and culture is ego, according to you and yours.

I’m not an anarchist, no rule, I am a descriptive panarchist, all rule, from a worm, to an insect, to man, we all want to preserve ourselves (the prime directive), will to live/power, but some erroneously believe their interests are always compatible with the collectives interests, or the kings interests, or the popes interests, when in actuality, life often forces us choose between self and other, but you may keep your naive morality, where nobody wins unless we all win, absolute, unanimous victory or absolute ubiquitous defeat, as if we are all in this together somehow, when in reality, we must choose sides, yourself, or another, your friends, or your enemies, your tribe, creed and color, or theirs. My philosophy is simple, bottom - up, self before others, carnal before reason/emotion, humans are more sophisticated than other creatures, we have duped ourselves into believing there is more going on than there actually is, but underneath it all, all the culture, civilisation, law, morality, ritual, etc…

Not the anarchism I embrace. My anarchism and the one of Johann Kaspar Schmidt expoused reduces human nature to the corruptible selfish ego.

is a lizard, basically the 4 fs, and sleep. At our base, it is the reptilian brain, piled on top is ethics, emotion, reason, who do you think serves who, the establishment or the new? Remove the cerebral cortex surgically, or deactivate it, and the body and the brain may still live, remove or deactivate or impair the reptilian brain, and we’re as good as gone. Bottom up

I do not wish to emancipate everyone, and I never did, ever, go back and check, if you want to serve me, go right ahead, I wish to emancipate some of my fellow workers, mentally, as whatever is bad for the system, is probably good for me, as I am not benefiting from the system, much, so I am interested in sowing discord, chaos and strife, as well as testing my intellect against worthy opponents.

Without the deceptions “God”, government, morality, and law there is no reason to serve or obey.

This is the forbidden fruit or secret of the bread and circus that is civilization.

Nihilism or deconstructivism being the forbidden knowledge in contrast to the deceptive posited constructivism of the masters.

It is the secret that the masters of the bread and circus constantly try to hide from the lower multitudes that it enslaves in order to leave no doubt of their positing.

The false masters only exist on their ability to deceive others for without their ability to dissuade minds they are nothing.

Some day those deceptions will be brought into light and the chimaira of civilization which has taken advantage of them for so long to enslave the world will destruct.