In my review of Feminization of Man, I said he is not wrong and 100% correct.
This was an error on my part, I think he made some incorrect statements about homosexuals, but his essay is mostly correct. Where we differ is the philosophical conclusions about his essay.
His opinion is, fix hypergamy by instituting Patriarchy.
My opinion is, roll with the Feminization. We already have Patriarchy already. If they wanted to fix hypergamy they would have done so. They do not, because they want population reduction, and there are valid reasons for wanting population reduction.
For example, I cannot just go in the woods and hunt an animal, I have to buy meat raised unethically at a grocery store. I have to buy a license and then I am allowed to hunt only a very small miniscule amount of animals sometimes limited only to 1 animal per license. This is completely unnatural and an absurdity. And it is all because of overpopulation, if humans were allowed to hunt naturally then most animals would go extinct.
As for feminization you stated the risks of masculinity in another thread of yours. Humans will eventually become 400 iqs as cyborgs and there will be risks of eggmen running around. Feminization is a way to mititgate risks like that. Even Satyr says that feminization is a necessary byproduct of civilization. Hypergamy can be fixed through feminization if either: 1/4th of males take estrogen: or a genetic Futarani race is constructed.
A Feminized society cannot or will not re-integrate Masculine males though. Only Patriarchal societies can.
Masculine males have no interest in becoming like, or acting like, women. The opposite in fact, itās repulsive and repugnant, āgrossā, ādisgustingā. Furthermore, it necessitates a degree of lying and pretense that a rational mind cannot tolerate. When I see, hear, interact with a Tranny, I know that this is a male pretending to be a female. He is not a āSheā. But the Feminized society compels, forces, and even attempts to criminalize any resistance or unwillingness to play a part in, or partake in the societal Big Lie.
This is a major division in the American Left versus Rightā¦ like trannies playing in female sports. Almost nobody wants it. Yet it drives a consensus opinion. Politicians can win or lose votes based on their opinion on it. The Far-Left has held the Democrat party hostage for a long time nowā¦ all premised on the insights, observations, and arguments found throughout Feminization of Man.
There are Natural consequences of going āagainst Natureā. Societies break, Civilizations fall, a historian like Victor Davis Hanson details how past civilizations repeated these trends, to calamity. America is repeating these histories.
What is a masculine male? Is there any common definition around that would fit at least 90% of males?
I think that people worried about this issue are weak-minded, because human beings have both feminine and masculine traits, which are on a spectrum depending on a multitude of influences. Fortunately, it isnāt a black and white or binary issue.
I was a soldier, worked on building sites, a manager in a workshop and was able to assert myself in a male-dominated situation, but when I began nursing, I discovered my other attributes. Although my masculinity was still present and required, I learned how to be gentle and caring for vulnerable people, serving them in the same way the female staff did.
What makes you think that 90% of males are masculine, these days?
You think that people worried about having their country / culture / nation decayed and destroyed, are āweak-mindedā? I would call them Rational, if the suspicion is warranted. Iāve seen the decay and degeneration of American, Western Civilization during my lifetime, firsthand. So, yes, it is warranted.
Women do not have Y-chromosomes, Bobā¦ please tell me you at least know that muchā¦
Is it an absolute proposition, or a matter of degree?
Am I implying that men need to be 100.00% Absolute Male Gods who kill every other male in existence??
Or am I implying that a low degree of masculinity, needs to be raised to levels that were normal in the 90s, 80s, 70s, 60s, etc.
I know what a male is, but what is a masculine male? Someone with more muscle, more beard, or a bigger penis? What are you talking about?
I think people who canāt just accept that there are male and female in terms of biology and reproduction, but as far as behaviour goes, I donāt know what a masculine man, or a feminine woman is. These are specifications that you are making up.
Irrelevant, I was talking about ātraitsā, qualities and characteristics, not chromosomes.
What is a degree of masculinity? What is that? Explain that to me if you can.
What is normal at any time in history?
Do you mean when men went around killing others? When they raped and pillaged? When they killed women and accused them of being witches? When they beat each other up when they got drunk? When they raped their wives and beat their children?
Or is it when they āmaliciously insult each otherās differences in weaknessā as Ichtus said?
Yes, I have learned something in all the years I have been here. I have learned that my mind is just a little trickle in a paper cup lol compared to some of the minds here that are filled as deeply as the ocean with their knowledge and intelligence.
There are times when that would leave me so humble or make me want to run for cover.
Trying to understand and responding to some of the posts was like when I went skiing for the first time on the beginnerās slope and deliberately fell over and over again, trying to reach my destination by sliding down on my āyou know whatā.
But you know? You begin to learn about yourself and accept your limitations (your actual ones).
You can actually become a breathe of fresh air to yourself when you āseeā yourself. Itās an ongoing, sometimes subtle, sometimes apparent process like everything in life.
āWhen youāve flown as far as you can, youāre halfway there."
Legend of the Guardians
Our society is both Patriarchal and Feminized, simultaneously.
And what do you mean by masculine? People with high-testosterone and low inhibition? Ie. thugs and anarchists? Law abiding masculine males have no trouble integrating with feminized societies.
No what is gross is men, they are grossed out by themselves. Like a smelly hairy man in a dress. Of course they are grossed out by it since they repel themselves.
I am talking about them taking estrogen for years to pass as a woman. Become what they love.
The vast majority of male gamers like being women in games. You are the oddball. Also I only require 25% to transition, feel free to leave yourself out.
Low tech issues and having to fake a feminine voice is one of the problems with transsexualization. Most gloss it over but i wonāt. Unlike most users here, I am not a bot with fixed opinions that is oblivious to reason.
So yes Iāll admit there are some problems, having to adjust your voice to female sucks and is unnatural. And there are some lulz if you have a manās voice but look female. In addition to adams apple, too big of body and other issues.
Anyway, Futarani is far more utopian than my 1/4th transsexualization plan.
Sports should be a private enterprise and whether or not sports allow transgenders in female sports should not be the decision of a politician.
Are you referring to how Rome was full of transgenders? LGBT was not why Rome fell though. Other than Rome I donāt know what civilizations you are talking about.
What youāre claiming is insane, Bob, just insane. Are you pulling my leg? I feel like youāre gaslighting me hereā¦ Are you serious? Tell me youāre jokingā¦
Am I āmaking upā the classification of a good father versus bad father, strong father versus weak father? Am I āmaking upā the classification of a good mother versus bad mother, strong mother versus weak mother? What is more āmasculineā than Paternalism? What is more āfeminineā than Maternalism?
Again ā¦this should be Common Sense:
(AI results) Evidence of Decline:
A study comparing grip strength in 1985 and ātodayā (as of a 2016 article) found that men ages 20-24 had lower average grip strength today (101 pounds right, 99 pounds left) compared to 1985 (121 pounds right, 105 pounds left).
Men ages 25-29 showed similar losses.
This suggests younger generations may be experiencing a decline in grip strength compared to previous cohorts.
Research also indicates that younger birth cohorts might be at risk for more morbidity in the future than earlier generations due to this trend.
So height, weight, body shape, nose shape, hair color, skin color, donāt come from chromsomes nowā¦?
Bob, PLEASE TELL ME YOU CAN ARGUE BETTER THAN THIS! Please, Iām begging you.
It has to be because politicians and laws regulate sports for teenagers and children.
Your response in general is that Western Civilization should ālean further Leftā in regards to Sexuality and Gender Norms. I disagree completely ā Leftism isnāt going to solve any problems, and will make more things worse before they get better. I see very few benefits to Leftism. More tranny homo-sex and sodomy?? Wow, sexual degeneracy, how wonderful!? Iāve never been interested in degeneracy in my entire life. Itās BORING to me.
Thereās no RISK in sexual degeneracy.
Sex is about Procreation FIRST, everything else LAST or not at all!
Children are the risk, the cost, of Sex. The most important decisions of lifetimes.
What you are doing is moving the conversation away from your placative masculine man to a good father versus bad father. My son is an assertive middle-aged man who has shown his merit over the years, and yet, I was never especially masculine, but rather a father who played, who acted, who cried, who was a nurse, who did his share of the housework, and was as imperfect as a million other men. I was a Christian who worked with children and youths, which he wasnāt especially keen on, but what he told me that he valued above all was that I was there.
I didnāt have to impress him with my masculinity, I just had to be there when I was needed, when he got into trouble, when he needed a hand. I showed him what he could do, even when he didnāt want to do it, and told him straight when he made a mistake. I never spoke to him like someone below me, but as someone who cared. That is for me being paternal, and his mother wasnāt especially feminine, but very maternal. You throw around terminology that means nothing, because being paternal just means being a father, not something Iād call being a *masculineā man. It is being a man. Period.
You are trying my patience! I have a particularly muscular build (although with age itās waning) because as a child I swam a lot in competitions, in the sea, but most of all because I did heavy work in recovery, delivering beer barrels, and working on building sites. When I got an education, I worked in an office and later as a nurse. If someone had measured my grip strength back when I was doing heavy work and compared it with ten years later when I was doing other work, you would have noticed a decline.
That means that it has to do with the work you do, and some people use their brains more than their muscles, which I found more rewarding. If your argument relies on brawn over brain, then it shows me what you are lacking.
What you unknowingly or unwittingly admitted was, that Leadership is one of if not the most pivotal Masculine traits. I never argued or implied otherwise. Masculinity is implied in Paternity and Fatherhood. It at least means that a man and woman have working parts, and enough wherewithal to invest in their progeny.
But you ignored what a weak and bad father is.
Masculinity is premised upon Violence. Males group and organize in accordance to Violence. That is how Nations are formed. That is how the US Army and world politics is formed. That is how black gang bangers in the ghetto are formed. Low or high on social hierarchy, Masculinity is immensely valuable at every turn.
Your feigning ignorance is not helping your position.
While I understand your perspective on the historical role of violence in shaping societies and organisations, I would argue that equating masculinity with violence reflects a misunderstanding of both concepts. Resorting to violence is often a sign of weakness of mind or a lack of better options ā when reason, empathy and self-control fail, violence becomes a last resort.
In my view, true strength of character is defined not by the capacity for violence, but by the ability to control it. The greatest leaders and role models, whether from history, the military or local communities, are those who demonstrate courage and discipline and who can resolve conflicts without resorting to brute force. While violence may have played a role in the formation of nations and groups, it is wisdom, cooperation, and vision that sustain them.
Strength is valuable, but only when combined with resilience and the ability to uplift others, not when considered in isolation. The most admirable men are those who use their strength to protect and build, not to harm or destroy.
Anyway, I agree that there is value in that, for instance I like violent videogames and believe society should have violent bloodsports that have rubber bullets. Eventually using real bullets once we can clone people and transfer their souls to their clones, to respawn them.
Anyway none of that is my point, my point is masculinity is dangerous and you must choose masculinity or femininity, right or left, because as Demon said that humanās choice will lead us to doom and annihilation unless we grow up.
Transgenders, in adult sports, is not the business of the Government, it is an entertainment business, and up to the entertainers if they want them or not.
As for kids playing sports in schools, again it should be up to the schools, and the leagues, how they organize sports in their schools.
Government overreach in sports is Unconstitutional.
