For anyone who read the “Word Association” thread, can you explain the association between “sodomy” and “misconception”? (there are several possible answers on several different levels…)
wrong hole?
-Imp
Maybe it was a misunderstanding and they didnt mean to have sex with the animal(or whomever).
Maybe they meant missed conception because they were having sex with men.
Sodomy is in itself an incorrect concept. A misconception if you will.(At least in relation to many peoples values or beliefs)
Like Impenitent said, wrong hole, so they werent able to conceive.
Cant think of anything else.
You posted the word sodomy and replied to it with misconception. So why don’t you tell us the link you see since you are the one who made the association.
Wrong hole?
This whole it’s unnatural it’s the wrong hole thing really gets my goat.
Not because of anything to do with homosexuality, just because it’s like trying to deal with someone who consistently claims that gravity works in reverse.
Animals (of which humans are one type) partake in sodomy quite commonly. They also partake in other kinds of homosexual act.
You can say all you want that it’s unnatural, but what makes it unnatural if animals do it?
Supposedly, because it doesn’t produce offspring. But then neither does masturbation or oral sex or abstinance.
Were homosexuality completely genetic, it is perfectly natural for mutation to lead to behaviours and features in animals that are not for their gain. The mutation is random, and some mutations are beneficial, some not. The beneficial ones survive, the others do not.
Were anal sex purely a psychological trait, we have come up with many means to obtain benefits and pleasures from our environs which are not the purpose they evolved for. We turn trees into desks, we masturbate.
What, are you going to go live in the woods feasting on raw flesh from animals you killed with your bare hands and raping women?
happy goat getting…
wrong hole only as far as (mis)conception is concerned…
-Imp
I WAS going to give the answer, but a) most of them are being arrived at already, b) I don’t want to ruin the flow here…some interesting posts! and c) if I hold out a bit longer, FtheNaysayers will have to change his/her name to F!IFeelanAneurismComingOn… 
In many cases ancient taboos have a practical benefit. The taboo against eating pork kept many ancients from getting sick after eating undercooked pork. The incest taboo diminished the number of children born with birth defects.
Much information that we take for granted would have been uncommon knowledge. The process of conception that we take for granted, the knowledge of the ova and the sperm and how they function to produce new life would have been unknown.
The cause of birth defects would have been totally unknown to the ancients. So they did the best with the limited information they had. I think that sodomy was so fearful because they thought that such sex acts could contaminate a man in such a way to as to make his children born deformed. Excrement is obviously a source of potential bacterial contamination.
Plus I think there was far more child abuse that went on in the past. Men hated sodomy because so many of them had been unwillingly sodomized as children.
sodomy // misconception… a problem with conception… inability to conceive… infertility… sex without produce… sodomy…?
Anyway that’s just the thesaurus talking.
Just to get physical on your ass (?) another porno-industry led misconception is that (apart from the excitement of breaking a taboo/being kinky) that anal sex is actually better than ‘normal’ sex… Perhaps it’s subjective but I’d say it’s a lot more boring actually - not enough friction - you tend to bang away until you get tired. 
Been there, done that, gave it up.
xanderman and tabula rasa forced me to respond (some of what I’m writing in response to them also relates back to what others wrote before them, but my memory and ambition preclue my remembering or checking back on those past posts… 
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First, tab got most of my play-on-word. But the biggest misconception is what sodomy is. Let me show you the original definition:
EVERY PERSON WHO SHALL CARNALLY KNOW OR SHALL HAVE SEXUAL INTERCOURSE IN ANY MANNER WITH ANY ANIMAL OR BIRD; OR SHALL CARNALLY KNOW ANY MALE OR FEMALE BY THE ANUS OR WITH THE MOUTH OR ANUS; OR SHALL ATTEMPT INTERCOURSE WITH A DEAD BODY IS GUILTY OF SODOMY.
So, how many of you can now claim not to have engaged in sodomy?
Xanderman, I liked your reasoning behind prohibition of sodomy back in the days, but as you can see, it also involves oral sex and is essentially meant to prohibit and NON-PENILE/VAGINAL intercourse for RELIGIOUS reasons. Moreover, these laws are almost never enacted against heterosexuals, but often against homosexuals, with penalties ranging up to TWENTY FREAKIN’ YEARS IN PRISON!!! And in some states, they actually WROTE IN BLACK AND WHITE that these laws applied to only gays/lesbians (whereas in the other states they could be applied to gays or straights, but almost exclusively enacted againts gays only).
Last year or so, the government eradicated these discriminatory laws, but many states are fighting to have them reinstated.
The US: land of the free…
As for anal sex being less pleasurable, maybe you’re doing it wrong? The friction IS there, a la the increased pressure (unless the person’s sphincter is ruined or very loose). And with the lack of lubrication, there can actually be MORE friction. But if someone wants the lubrication, any water-soluble lubricant (e.g., KY jelly) can provide what you’re lacking.
Dear Psyche,
I did look up ‘sodomy’ in the dictionary and got a myriad of different definitions - though all along the line you posted. Unbelieveable, Birds !!! 
I think the anti-sodomy laws in Britain were repealed about 20 years ago (they outlawed specifically anal-sex between anyone, even husband-wife, but were mainly used on the gay community) Plus, of course, the classification of mental illness and electro-shock treatments that died down around the same time.
I was surprised at the gay-scene in Turkey when I got here (though limited mainly to the big cities İstanbul/İzmir/Ankara + the tourist areas) it’s not openly accepted but sort of ignored/denied in public forums… Your average Turk male is quite macho - and is disgusted by the idea though to Western eyes the level of physical contact between male friends is very high - it’s quite normal to walk arm in arm, kiss both cheeks as ‘hello’ etc… all very strange to a cold stiff-upper-lip English type like myself… Quite a lot of cross-dressing singers as mainstream entertainment and Liberache types have been around for years. In fact one of the most respected Traditional music singers Bülent Ersoy is a transexual and is adored by millions.
Doing it wrong…? Please give me some credit!!! I can only speak from the male/female POV but KY - check - increased pressure - check - result - lots of exercise but little result (this is with a few different partners over the years before marriage) I’ll have to blame my insensitive tackle 
Also lack of direct clitoral stimulation has made it a party-trick rather than the main course in the sexual buffet of my life.
Tips on anal-sex on a philosophy site !!!
Was just about to go to bed but then saw tab’s response. Interesting thing about the Turks, no?
Now, please forgive the ignorance/confusion, but from your message it looks as if you are female (reference to clitoris). I had presumed you were male, thus I made the suggestions I did re. anal sex. If you are a male and are stating that the lack of clitoral stimulation is bad re. your ability to provide pleasure to your partner, then may I suggest what I tell my students is one of the best all-round positions for female stimulation? Of course, this applies if you are a woman as well…
It’s the female on top position, facing male. Penis in anus. One hand in vagina “pointing/pulling” toward man (hence hitting the g-spot), one hand pushing against the woman’s abdomen (more pressure on g-spot), with the thumb pulling the clitoral hood up, leaving clitoris exposed for other hand to massage it. Yes, it requires strong hands and arms on the part of the man, but it’s done miracles for most who have tried it. Of course, the free fingers and hand should be used to also stimulate the rest of the vulva, along with the breasts and other parts (i.e., as nice as the pressure on the abdomen is, the woman can do that at times, or just do without it for a while, while the hand roams all around. Finally, if finishing early is not a problem for the man, he can use the hand that’s inside the vagina to push against the woman’s anal wall periodically. It takes away from g-spot stimulation, but the hand on the abdomen can compensate a bit…or, flick that hand back and forth, so it’s going between the g-spot and anal wall. This provides a variety of pressure/stimulation/pleasure for the woman, but it also creates a great sensation on the penis, as it’s thrusting inside the butt (or, even if it’s stationary for a bit, the fingers rubbing against it via the anal wall provide a nice, novel stimulation/sensation.
So, whether you are a man or a woman, this position is a gold mine…
Now here’s a sight: I was at a bar a few years back and a couple of my male students wanted to use one of the pick-up lines I had taught in class. Long story short, they screwed it up and were messing up big time with the hot woman they were trying to impress. So they brought her over to me to salvage it. Now, they somehow confused the line with what I described above. So, here I am, in the bar where I am pretty well known (and respected I hope…if nothing else, I showed several students how they could hussle with only moderate pool skills, as long as they knew how to mess around with the opponents’ minds…), trying to suavely and professionally and non-creepily demonstrate to this hot, drunk woman (who knows me by reputation and is almost all over me–more to keep herself from falling down I think…), the same position I just mentioned above–all with a straight face while my two students are cheering me on and watching my “technique” (not to mention a bunch of curious onlookers wondering what the hell I’m doing…).
I guess it worked b/c they ended up taking this hot woman and her girlfriend home that night…
I’ve GOT to stop giving out all this free advice/demonstrations…I actually get PAID for some of this…
You must have some seriously modified equiptment down there if you are stimulating a girls clit during intercourse…
!!! If you are NOT stimulating a woman’s clitoris during intercourse, I’d hate to think of what cocktail weiner you’re using. That is, during penile-vaginal intercourse, it’s pretty tough NOT to stimulate the clitoris via friction on the clitoral hood as a result of tension via the labia and surrounding areas of the vulva…
Dear psyche, plus a secret handshake to Dr. S.,
I’m male, I’ve been doing the ‘act’ from behind… (my poor narrow mind) so I meant lack of clitoral stim. from belly to belly friction. I was circumcised at birth so my (searches for new and amusing euphormism, fails) jade staff is not as sensative as it could be. Will try the new variation a.s.a.p - though I think you mentioned about 8 different hands were needed for success !!!
Must admit the c.chop came in handy when I was getting married, my wife’s a nominal Muslim and I would have had to have got my foreskin whipped off the old-fashioned way if it hadn’t been absent already - by the local sünnetci - (a doc specialising in circumcision) with no anaesthetic and a bunch of the in-laws standing around to make sure that I took it like a man…! . No female circumcision over here I hasten to say. Though sexuality, especially in rural areas is seriously tabboo on the female side. My wife was a virgin, and it’s not unknown for the elder male of a family to assign one of the younger brothers to hunt down and kill a sister who brings dishonour on the family by having sex before marriage…
This is rare however, and limited to the very poorly educated eastern side of Turkey. Turkey is very schitzophrenic… The three main cities are very Westernized… I feel perfectly at home in İzmir. But head to the East and my long-hair starts getting stares and beer dissappears completely…!
Don’t get me wrong - I love Turkey, for all it’s faults - there is no nanny state here and the crime rate is so low as to be non-existant in most places. People will like you as a default reaction, and try to help if you need it. England is minus one son.
Psyche - what IS your job…?
Tab, I’m a psychologist teaching…psychology…at a few universities (not a full fledged professor, for political and practical reasons…simply put, I don’t want to lose my skills and understanding by relegating myself to academia, where my colleagues get stuck in only one or two areas and research the shit out of them, while failing to see the BIGGER picture; also, I’ve been very vocal about the problems in my field, and this started even in my undergrad years (I returned to university after a couple of years in the real world and thus knew BS when I smelled it…and my university was one steaming heap of it…although the BS reduced a bit during my MA and PhD years (different university), it was still there and I made sure to call it what it was–I also took many steps to change some of it (I had actually written more but realized I might identify myself by doing so, so I’ll leave it at that)…so, I can’t do the political thing necessary to try to climb through the ranks of professorship and tenure (I’ve never been good at kissing ass).
Also, I do psychological assessments for various hospitals and agencies, as well as doing psychotherapy at those hospitals and in private practice. I’m pretty lucky not to be tied down to any one place, so I can make good money doing what I love and not having to put up with much of the BS most people do.
Plus, as you might have inferred from my posts, a pretty big part of my work, both clinically and academically, is related to sexuality, so that’s something that keeps pulling me to work each day… 
Right.
The fact remains the clit is inches above the hole, and doesn’t get touched during intercourse.
Hey, when it the last time you were with a woman anyway? I’m thinking long enough to forget some basics…
You are absolutely right on all counts, satanical. I do defer to you and your knowledge/experience and highly recommend that others direct relevant questions/queries to satanical. I’ll sit back and learn…
That’s better.
eyes, meet roll…roll, eyes…