Colour. I am the thinker, I don’t produce colour and neither is it physical, so what is it?
We know it ‘exists’ in a wider sense of the term, we know that it is produced by or otherwise reflects both the physical brain [maybe the world too!] and our thoughts.
We know it can be produced or reflects the imagination especially when we are on LSD when it is most vivid.
Is it the new Aether or spirit even ~ and one which is most apparent.
do you know any other things which are or maybe neither?
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I think you need a clarification on what is or isn’t physical and mental in order to discuss this.
If color isn’t physical, then what is?
Is shape physical?.. distance?.. time?
I’d say that physical things exist in those things I.e. can be measured by notions like time and spatial locations. As to colour, well how is it physical? Its produced in the mind/brain ‘after’ photons have been turned into electrical signals/impulses. How is a photon [which alone is invisible] a colour?
First, a photon is not invisible, else you could not see at all. Photons are the ONLY thing you see. Their arrangement is what you then use to deduce what is out there. So the shape that you “see” is really only the shape that you deduce. Is a deduction physical? Color is merely one of those deductions as well. It is a label placed on an associated affect/stimuli.
The physical “thing” called color is in fact photons of specific categories/labels.
On the science show called horizon a scientist stated that photons are transparent until they hit something. Then he shows a few experiments which ‘proved’ that the colours we see are perceptual. Also, Richard Dawkins once said that photons moving up and down at a given rate is not colour [or something to that effect]. Just visualise that in your mind and ask how can a wavelength of particles literally be colour, surely they just give us the information the mind needs to compose colour.
I consider the references you gave to be far less than reputable in my book, but how about “metaspace”?
Are you confining your definitions such as to say that anything that exists in the mind cannot also exist in the physical or vsvrsa?
Metaspace and its inhabitants are as real as any physical formations, but it can only be “seen” in the mind or now with a processor displaying its activities for your eyes.
I think that someone would say that in the instance that you think, “colour”, whatever unique state your brain happens to be in, that’d be what the colour actually was. And so since it’s a brain state, it’s physical.
‘The only thing we experience about the physical world is the non-physical’ - quetz.
I’d think there would need to be information passed between all parties involved I.e. my mind would have to also know the info in order to perceive the colour.
If however colour [and maybe info too] is not produced by my mind, then I’d assume there to be colour ‘out there’, it would only be seen by me when I share the information. On the other hand, experiments show that colour is perceptual, thus it would seam that colour ~ even if not of the mind, is produced for the mind to experience it subjectively.
That is if there is no shared perception of the world or a world. The nature of the physical world is such that we are subjective beings, however it maybe plausible that non-physical world/s [e.g. Elysium] don’t create such a duality, and so may be mutually perceived!
Given that colour is not of the mind and not of the physical, then it makes sense that it is its own entity or realm.
I agree as concerns the relative or respective correlating states, yet we cannot show it to be physical. Experiments show it to be purely perceptual [the colour we actually see that is].
