Soul and Psyche..?

I’m just wondering. Does anyone know if the consciousness survives in the the soul after bodily death under wider christian doctrine?

No opinions. I’m wondering if anyone actually knows this aspect of wider christian doctrine.

Yes and yes.

Thanks. :smiley:

Depends on which Christianity. My understanding (which is relatively weak and has more to do with art history than with theology) is that initially Christians believed in an absolute, bodily resurrection at the end of times. So there isn’t really a ‘soul’ surviving after death. You die, and wait (not described what happens here or if it is perceived) and then Judgment day comes and you rise from your grave in your physical body and are either sent to Heaven or Hell, in your physical body. The notion of judgment immediately after death and being in Heaven or Hell is a later addition.

I’m not sure which has wider pull. I’d guess the latter, but I’m not sure. I’ll let the Christians field that one.

I’ll tell you what has always interested me about this whole theory. They say that in Heaven all of those who have ascended into Heaven are reunited with their loved ones which is more or less because Heaven is perfect. Well, what if your loved one went to hell? What if your consciousness survives in your soul and you understand why this person went to hell, but the fact that they are in hell (and not with you in Heaven) serves to render Heaven imperfect, like if it is a spouse or parent or something?

How can both of these Christian beliefs be 100% satisfied 100% of the time?

I’m not trying to be argumentative, just a question.

I was listening to some lectures on medieval history and they said that was actually a big problem for German pagans. The missionaries would come really close to converting a warlord but at the last minute they would ask if their ancestors would be with them in Heaven. When the missionaries explained that the warlord’s ancestors were in hell, the deal was off.

Exactly, in fact it was that very example (that I read somewhere quite sometime ago) that always caused the question (though in a slightly different context) to remain on my mind.

I don’t know how a Christian would know until they die. Now if you inject belief (which supports opinion), then they might say ‘yes’.

Note that the question mentioned “wider christian doctrine.” Belief is the only thing under scrutiny. Obviously no one would know “until they die” if not for some type of revelation from a greater power. Again, bear in mind we’re only speaking in terms of the hypothetical doctrines of the Church, but I think that was the original point.

In addendum to that doctrine, it is believed the consciousness will be held in suspension until the time of judgement. At least as far as I know.