Static vs dynamic

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In my various science readings, of which is all I’ve done
over the last several months, two terms came to the front,
and they are static vs dynamic…
according to my handy-dandy dictionary static is defined as:

Static: generally refers to something that is fixed, stationary or
lacking movement…

Dynamic: generally refers to something characterized by constant
change, activity or energy…

and we can see this played out in many different diverse spheres,
politics for one…conservatives want a more static society, liberals
want a more dynamic society…the entire MAGA movement is
about creating static, not dynamics… and this entire line of
attack can be found in the overall MAGA attack against diversity…
for in diversity, one will find a more dynamic state/society..
and why? the ‘‘one voice’’ aspirations of the conservatives,
IQ45 for example demands that the GOP/MAGA speaks
in one voice, his…IQ45 is surrounded by yes men, no disagrees
with his demands… he is a king/tyrant… and they book no
opposition… there very motto, MAGA, is a signal of a static
society, not a dynamic society… any attempt to return to
the past reflects a desire for a static society/state…

Whereas the left holds to a dynamic version of a state/society…
One voice speaking for all is not what the left does…
I recall an old, old, old joke from when I was a kid, back in the
60’s… I don’t belong to an organized political party,
I am a democrat… that pretty much covers what the left does,
being liberal is more a dynamic viewpoint of the state/society…
the left believes in diversity, the so-called big tent of the left…
and within diversity comes many different viewpoints and beliefs…
and within that diversity comes strength… inclusion is dynamic
and creates many voices that can speak… whereas the right
rejects diversity and holding onto to diverse beliefs…
this rejection is a cry for a static, stationary society…
to put it another way, the right holds to the one voice
vision of a state, be it god or a dictator… the left holds
to having many different possibilities that comes from
diversity…

in history, we have seen many long-life societies and states…
India, China and Egypt for example, but they were static, stationary societies…
whereas a diverse, dynamic society doesn’t always last that long, because
in being dynamic and diverse, hearing all voices, can easily disrupt
a society/state…but think of the society/states that have greatly
expanded the idea of being human and note they are the state/societies
that were dynamic, diverse… Athens of Socrates… there was nothing
stationary or static about Athen at that time… and virtually every
single valuable idea we have today, came from Athens of this time period…

The Renaissance was another period of being dynamic, diverse
and look at the amazing values that came out of that time period…
the entire Renaissance period was unsettled, diverse, even chaotic…
and look at all the great things that came out of the Renaissance,
Art, history, science the first great scientist of the Scientific Revolution,
was Copernicus, lived right in the heart of the Renaissance, from
1473-1543… (Da Vinci lived from 1452-1519) there is no one
can say that the Renaissance was a static time period, it wasn’t…
but that is the point, that the entire Renaissance was a dynamic
period of time…

I suspect that part of the reason that we cannot ever MAGA,
is because we are engaged in trying to turn America into a
static, stationary place… with only wealthy, white males able to
participate in the public discourse… whereas if we want a
dynamic state/society, we must return to having many, diverse
voices all speaking their piece… or as I have said before,
the path to greatness lies in inclusion, diversity, and WOKE…
For being ‘WOKE’’ is a moral/ethical system, no different
than the sermon on the mount or the Ten commandments…
and ‘‘WOKE’’ holds that all people are created equal…
and should be treated equal, exactly as the declaration of
Independence says… and another word for ‘‘WOKE’’ or equality
is Justice… to practice Justice is to be ‘‘WOKE’’… to treat
equally… and the practice of inclusion means we treat equally
those who want to love equally, be it the same sex or not, to
be able to engage in the law equally, not the two track system
of Justice we have today, one track for the wealthy/powerful
and the second track for all others… for a two track system
isn’t the practice of Justice… for a two track system denies
equality/ and justice… recall that the word Justice is
also equality… to be just is to be treated equally before the law…
but a static, stationary society/state has no interest in either justice
or equality… the primary function of a static/stationary society
is to maintain its being static/stationary… that is the goal of
a static society, to go on being static/stationary…
Which is the entire goal of MAGA/conservatives…
to create and hold onto a static/stationary society…
When MR. A wants a dictatorship, he really wants a
static/stationary society/state… which is to say, a dead
society/state… I liken this to different ages of people…
when one is old, the goal is to be remain the same,
which is to say, static/stationary… when one is old,
change is scary and quite dangerous… old people resist
change because they have no control over the changes
and it’s done much quicker than an old person can handle…

A dynamic state/society is confusing, hard to keep track of,
and leaves old people without a voice… and therein lies
the point of diversity… to engage people into having
a voice in their own lives, their own direction…

The quest should be to create a state/society where all
voices are heard, a dynamic state where we adapt and
change within the diverse voices we hear…

MAGA/conservatives want to exclude any voices not socially
acceptable, women, gays, trans, minorities… to create a static
society where the only voices heard are white, wealthy males…
and a society/state where change and variation happen…
and the path to the dynamic society begins with a diverse,
ever changing society… or said another way… there is no
organism that remains the same all the time…
every single organism changes and adapts because it must…
change is the name of the game in nature… nothing remains
the same because of dynamic situations like evolution and
entropy… and to try to create a static/stationary state/society
is to try to stop evolution and entropy… and that path is
the path to failure… partly why even today, MAGA is
dying a slow death… it is trying to put their fingers in
the dyke and plug all the holes… no matter how many fingers
you have, you can’t stop the holes from opening up…

To be blunt, to be MAGA/conservative is to try and stop
change and entropy… and no surer path to failure lies
in trying to stop change or entropy…

so, what do you want, a static/stationary society/state or
a dynamic/diverse state? I pick movement and change
every single time because that is the very essence of
nature… nature and us, all we do in existence is simple,
we move from order to disorder… the path of existence
is the path of the movement of energy… order to disorder…
that is the entire state of nature that we live in…
and hording energy never works because for energy to work,
it must be free and able to go whatever way it wants…

so, to restate my initial thesis, the path of existence
is to either be static or to be dynamic… and nature itself
requires dynamic actions because that is how one avoids
the disorder… so we must revisit the entire static/vs dynamic
in terms of entropy and the use of energy…
either we are gaining in energy, being dynamic, going toward
order or we are losing energy, entropy and going from order
to disorder… liberals want diversity because it is a path to
gain energy, that diversity itself is a form of energy…
and being MAGA, to have one voice is to hold to losing
energy, to move from order to disorder…

So, what shall it be, to move toward energy and diversity
and change… which is to say holding to a dynamic society/state..
or holding to static/stationary, which is to say, moving from order
to disorder…

Kropotkin

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So, here moving towards disorder is good and that’s what liberals do.

And then we have conservatives leading to disorder.

Athens killed Socrates.

So, would you sum up our time with Trump as keeping things the same? I think pretty much every single criticof Trump (- yourself) would disagree and not slightly.

I find it odd that you compliment the left for leading things towards disorder. I have a feeling left and liberals would disagree. But you go further and view entropy as positive but all life forms fight entropy. In fact, homeostatis is precisely trying to keep entropy at bay.

None of what I’ve said above means I don’t think dynamism is important, but you put yourself in a dead end bind if you side with either dynamism or (homeo)stasis because life needs both.

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I dont know… is it hard for people to understand that everything is harmful in excess?
Is that really such a high strung and out of reach concept?

This being put in front of 10 year olds is also “change” Kropotkin. Change bought forth by the “woke” you speak of.

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Does this look like a good idea to you Kropot?
Would you like even more change? Like for instance legalizing fucking children?
That too would be a change.
Change is good, right?

I am so tired of having to look at a position that is so tone deaf, so fundamentally wrong and misrepresenting everything held within… misrepresents static, dynamic, maga, woke, change, values, virtue, order, stability, society
You made a post one could write a f-ing BOOK just about correcting the basic principles such as how conservativism does not create static structures and neither does nationalism, how “woke” is change not for the benefit of anyone, but just for mentally retarded whims farted out in momentary fashion by leftist ego without regard or safety of anyone.

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You just slipped into a different use of the word static…

& you paired it with creating.

muting thread

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There’s no such thing as static, it doesn’t exist in our universe. Heading in the wrong direction maybe, but never static.

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Thats just the first issue out of a thousand… conservatives are the exact same as liberals with a 5-10 year delay to them and nothing more. Eventually they all end up at the liberal position, just slower.

Can anyone even name a single liberal concept that wasnt eventually implemented?

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Yeah, adequate social welfare and a productive education system in the U.S.

Sorry.

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If you gonna tell me that america has a non adequate social welfare system, im gonna throw you in a lake. American citizens dont need to work and the state is still going to feed them. There is also everything from cash assistance to housing benefits, medicaid and more.

Do you know what most people get not even in the third world but half of europe when they go job or homeless? A good fucking luck.

What exactly is the expectation for a proper welfare then?
Do nothing and let the state still pay everything for you? Live for free?

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@Peter_Kropotkin
@greenfuse

It’s funny when Peter addresses me in his threads because politically I am a communist who doesn’t like Trump or the whole Zionist MAGA movement.

He probably lumps me with MAGA nonetheless because I am an unlimited global foreign immigration skeptic. For him as a liberal anything that is skeptical of mass foreign immigration is equal to nazism.

Liberals are communication exchange incapable. Simply hilarious.

:clown_face:

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Social welfare is not just financial assistance. It’s about people with mental health problems not being left alone to fend for themselves out on the street.

It’s about care for the elderly, no strings attached. It’s about the government doing something to address the problem of homelessness.

American minds always turn first to money. How much does it cost? How much of my tax dollars will be spenyt on these things? Well, what are they spending your tax dollars on? Fucking weapons, and invading countries that are a bit too socialist for their liking.

You get fuck all for your money over there, literally fuck all. The infrastructure is crumbling beyond repair. Crime is rampant. But I guess Iran is a bigger problem than all that.

Last place on the planet I would want to live, seriously.

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@niallm

In the United States politically we believe in corporate welfare, that is the welfare of the superwealthy is all that matters where everybody else can shove off, especially the poor.

In conclusion, we worship our rich people in the American Empire like they’re living divine gods to which everybody else is purely sacrificial.

:clown_face:

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I’m alright Jack, keep your hands offa my stack. That’s the American way™

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Those who cant care for themselves should be taken care of, that goes without saying, but thats a special exception.

Homelessness is where it starts to become a complex issue. What do you do with people which have no intention of working or taking care of a house? Who enjoy homelessness or are in fact so far goan that if you’d give them a home, they’d take it apart and sell it tile by tile for drugs?

And im not trying to be an ass here. In regards of the latter which has massive numbers of people who do not wish to cooperate or drag themselves out of the pit they are in, what do you do with them?
What about the freeloading ghetto dwellers who are just fiiiiiine and dandy living off of foodstamps and welfare checks? There are plenty of those too.

What do you do with the people which do not wish to improve their own life?
Do you force them?
From the streets to a “reeducation gulag”?
Break them till they fit one of the two boxes? Either become capable of taking control of their own life and improve it, or they will be broken till they require permanent care themselves?

Sure. There is a lot to say about the military spending and the american hegemony.
Its completely true that all that money could be spent on the benefit of the people instead of playing world police or the ruler of the planet.
On that note, im going to 100% agree with you.

America is in a state of decay, nobody is going to question that, but the issue of how you balance welfare will remain an evergreen issue and the crux of the socialist paradox.
If society is going to care for you even without you contributing a single f-ing thing to the rest of society, then whats the point of doing anything? Why would you do anything?

And you personally maybe would. You are willing to put in the extra to help as many people as you can. Except you are not helping, you are just enabling a bunch of parasites who happily suck you dry, and whats even more important: The overwhelming majority of people would never think like you. They look at the fact that they have become a free meal and the clown of the room and they quit too.

I recognize the exceptions and i wont question those.
Those who are actually in need of help, should be helped, but im sure you can acknowledge that there is a massive number of people sitting between that and just not intending to give a f about anyone while still holding out their hand.

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Patiently waiting for the inevitable “whataboutism”…

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I’d rather be a generous clown than a complete cunt.

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These are the only 2 options? No inbetween, no mediation, no common sense? You either feed and enable the parasites or you are a cunt?

Then easy to do. Just give away all you own and have and become homeless yourself.
In fact, i’ll gladly accept your donations too. We wouldnt want you to become a cunt.

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You just don’t get it. You fuckers are so severely brainwashed that I’m starting to think even the brightest of you are beyond all hope.

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@Peter_Kropotkin

I want a dictatorship because it’s the only way to maintain order, get rid of the monopolies of the superwealthy, and because a majority of people have constantly shown their inability to govern themselves.

I have no faith in your liberal democracy and I never will.

As for foreign mass immigration you can invite all of South America and Central America into the United States which is basically what we have done the last twenty five years where the consequences of that are probably at this rate irreversible, however, don’t act all surprise that overtime we’re no longer the same nation anymore where instead the future of our nation will resemble very little difference to our southern neighbor of Mexico.

I have already been learning Spanish for several years now anticipating all of this because that’s where it all seems to be headed.

And once all the liberals in the United States gets their wish of killing off evil whitey along with all the English speakers perhaps in the future a Mexican majority population will be complaining about Indian foreign migrants who speak Hindi unwilling to learn Spanish. That would be a hilarious scene of a future America if there is one at all.

:clown_face:

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You know what? Okay. Im totally the one who does not get it.
Fuck it. Sure. I guess im just like that. A cunt.

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If you had a productive, equal opportunities education system, there wouldn’t be so many “welfare scroungers”.

But no, you think you know best, while the rest of the world is shaking their heads sadly.

Dunno how you would start going about fixing things, you can’t even fix yourselves. I’m sure that every program to actually help is painted as inadequate or a con by the capitalists, and people like you just lap it all up. Suddenly everyone on welfare is a scrounger, how dare they.

Fucking sad state of affairs.

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