Someone who Thinks that the Nazis and Hitler were just, moral and wise leaders can be a good moderator. Or, let’s say, at least, their ability to moderate is the issue, not their beliefs.
But someone who posts like this…
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=183809&p=2433045#p2433015
seems to me to be a problematic moderator. It’s in his own forum I Believe. Anyone can make a stray obnoxious post, but notice also the thread leading up to that post. While I Think he avoids posting like my example above, I think, he does seem to NOT address many or most Points made. He has done this Before in threads where he defends or hails fascist regimes. Perhaps elsewhere, but those caught my Eye.
Weird, I was just earlier thinking of saying something like that…
I used to think something along these lines. To a large extent I still do. But there’s a limit. So… I disagree with your first sentence.
Don’t know much about Stoic, but if he fits the description then so be it.
You’ll notice that my second sentence reframed the first one. In any case, disagreeing with my first sentence is not an obstacle to agreeing with the main argument. In fact it would only strengthen support for it, I would Think.
Yes, I agree. I thought the same thing all along.
I’d agree that it was an inappropriate response to a reasonable post. While mods can’t really be expected to be non-partisan in their views, I don’t think it’s unreasonable to expect them to lead by example behaviourally.
Regarding the first point: I’ve never spoken to Stoic on the topic, and I steer clear of the forum in general so I’m not aware of his political arguments, but my experience of militant politics - whether fascist, communist, libertarian, theocratic or any other breed - is that those holding the stances cannot articulate the arguments coherently and logically. Once the concession has been made to coercion of dissenters, something fundamental is lost from the justificatory argument. Nationalism/fascism is every bit as vulnerable as theocracy, as “blood and soil” is as much a narrative construct as any singular conception of god. Any debate soon reveals the profoundly emotive, irrational aspect that appeals to the extent that one promotes violence in its support of one’s aims. Emotive thinking leads to black/white dichotomous reasoning, and an investment in proving oneself right wherever possible - it’s the “type 1” heuristic thinking of psychology.
It’s not a sign of sloppy thinking, so much as an abdication from the necessity of reasoning. However, that needn’t disqualify someone from being a moderator, although given the motivations and emotional investment, it might require exemplary self-discipline to remain impartial.
I wouldn’t worry too much about him - Stoic isn’t a real fascist, he’s just one of those young men who, frustrated by poor employment prospects at the point in his life cycle where he’s at his peak of testosterone production telling him to go out and make his mark on the world, has made the mistake of identifying with fascism as a sort of displacement activity. He can’t actually do what his body is telling him to do, so for him waving a sad little nazi flag in a semi-noisy corner of the internet helps. I’m sure, for example, that he also plays those computer games where the basic idea is to kill lots of people/things really quickly. Same shit, different toilet.
Moreover, like so many pseudo-fascists he is a coward. He believes he is being victimised for being white and male, that he is somehow part of the ‘worst off’ who have a right to be really fucking indignant and dogmatic about asserting their rights. Fake fascists with a victim complex/persecution complex are pretty commonplace these days, and while I’m dismayed by their utter lack of intelligence and character, they don’t pose any real threat. That’s my intelligence-threat analysis of the situation, take it or leave it.
That’s exactly what I was thinking about you and your new account.
Look, I know it must be a bit embarrassing that you made such a monumental misjudgment about who I am but that’s not my fault. Own your mistake and get the fuck over it.
So what do you Think of the issue of a mod who as mod does fine - I have no complaints or really noticed him moderating - but as participant in his or her own forum posts in a way that would likely get some kind of moderation elsewhere?
Motherfucker, I never made a misjudgment as to who you are, I said I had my suspicions of what account you previously posted under and mentioned that you are obviously an American. You could have posted under one of many banned accounts, but in your case I’m not concerned with which one. I already know enough about you from what you’ve written lately to consider you nothing other than more garbage I have to step over when conversing with those who actually have something worthwhile to say.
I have a load of Problems with both my P.C. and my internet connection and therefore it it difficult at times for me (along with numerous other matters I have to attend to) to address every single post made on me, i wasn’t even aware of this thread until 2 minutes ago.
And Because of my inability to be on consistently i am indeed stepping down as moderator on the Society, Government and Economics part of the forum.
Though this is interesting as essentially the point of this thread is, “Stoic Guardian is an ebul Fascist therefore he can’t be a good moderator”.
I don’t really see how my comments are obnoxious, perhaps not friendly but were do you get obnoxious from? My apathy to your disgust of my own political/ideological views?
I wouldn’t mind discussing these things with you if you wished, I always wondered what the other moderators thought about it anyhow.
Implying these things are incompatible with Fascism.
Muh feelz 
Nice psychobabble nonsense doc, you know everything about my tender sensitive misguided soul…
You’re already demonstrating that you don’t understand what Fascism is because your equating it to White Nationalism, i don’t Watch David Duke and then post Youtube comments going
“Anti Racism = Anti white
Fight Zog
14/88 Rahowa”
What distinguishes Between a Real Fascist and a Fake Fascist then Wise one?
Mods are people and members first and last. How they post towards their fellow members should not change just because they become mods. Its petty and ridiculous to expect or demand such. They are members just as us. If they must change then all must.
This is simply untrue. For your reference, on Fri Oct 25, 2013 at 11:03 pm (my time) you wrote:
viewtopic.php?f=6&t=184181&p=2431935#p2431935
Then, a few minutes later on this thread:
viewtopic.php?f=6&t=184292
You wrote:
And then, when another poster pointed out that I probably wasn’t American you responded:
So, what actually happened is that you said you had a suspicion that I was a previous member, but then said I couldn’t be that person. You then insisted, absolutely insisted, that I must be an American. Somehow, and for some reason that should be obvious to all, you’ve now flipped that round to pretend you were confident in your initial suspicion and merely ‘mentioned’ that I am obviously an American. So you’re lying to try to downplay your misjudgment, showing that you do still care about it. If you didn’t still care then you’d have no reason to lie.
The fact is, I’m a lot smarter than you, and you’d do better not picking fights with me because every time you end up humiliated and desperately trying to deceive others about what just happened. Just fuck off and don’t talk to me, stop turning up talking about/to me and then making a big song and dance about how little you care about what I have to say, because only the absolute fucktards are buying it. No one who can actually think is persuaded by your behaviour, they all just think you’re a dick. The answer is to stop behaving like a dick, not to behave like a dick even more than before.
Yes, you’re so superior to me. I don’t see how I didn’t realise it earlier.
Cretin.
No, stating that these are petty reasons for identifying with fascism, rather because of a concerted philosophical endeavour concluding that fascism is the best political philosophy. You’re no different to those kids wearing Che Guevara t-shirts but who can’t even tell me what nationality Che was.
In other words: ‘you’re right, but I have my pride so I’m going to take refuge in sarcasm’.
Like I say, a coward.
No, I’m saying one characteristic of all pseudo-fascists is that they spend 99% of their time bitching about how they are hard done by. I never mentioned David Duke.
If you’re really a fascist then you should be out there killing Jews, gypsies and Catholics. Instead you’re here, bitching like a coward and pretending to be a fascist. It’s absolutely fucking pathetic behaviour. At least you could go to StormFront and make some friends with a bunch of other immature wastrels.
This is a real fascist:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=316KsbkYd78[/youtube]
You are a fake fascist.
Das Eselhengst, I don’t care what you think, it is beyond me, I’m apathetic towards it, its outside of my concerns. I guessed right that your an American, and you won’t give me credit for that, and I never stated what any of your former accounts may have been, so I couldn’t possibly have been wrong.
Way to prove Moreno’s point. It doesn’t get any more blatant than that.
Apart from the fact that I say the opposite, that is.
And here it seems clear you did not follow the link or read carefully. It links to a post of yours that is a response to someone else. Your response there does not show apathy, quite the opposite. So here you are responding after deciding that it doesn’t actually matter what you said or what the context is.
But if you are stepping down the issue is moot.
In case the issue is not moot and Stoic Guardian does not step down here is Another post of his:
It should be noted that there were Three or four participants in the thread Before Stoic entered the discussion. They were civilly discussing their ideas.
It should also be noted that Stoic is the moderator for the forum this thread is in.
No one believes this, including you.
I’m not American, and I wasn’t saying your guess was wrong, but that you were upplaying your guess and downplaying your insistence that I’m American. You appear to be either profoundly deluded or just really fucking thick, so let’s try this one last time.
I. Am. Not. American. I. Was. Born. In. England. I. Have. A. British. Passport. I. Identify. Myself. As. British. Everyone. Else. Identifies. Me. As. British.
Except. You. Because. You. Are. A. Cretin.