You made a bizarre post about 20 men, ‘scientists’ and "tests’ and I used the same stupidity with black and white chicks and you didn’t like it? Then you asked if I was “taking the piss” your words, not mine… so I used your words. Then you say I’m flaming?
The ‘evidence’ you cited was pretty useless Met!! And your comments amounted to ‘here-say’ nothing more…o, and the ‘fact’ that a boy you knew turned red. Truly scientific! Even Sociological…
Start fresh? I wasn’t aware of any problems…no worries!
the theme of this thread may well be more fitting in another forum! mundane babble?
Quite simply, I am attracted to certian men and certian women. it’s impossible to say who really. it can be fleeting. as simple as noting beauty.
Obvsiouly, being bisexual, doesn’t mean I am sexually attracted to EVERYONE. Or does it?
Tell me, melt, can you appreciate, at least on the superficial facial level, that some men are handsome and some women are beautifuL? Acknowedging this that both sexes can be attractive and beautiful has nothing to do with bisexuality per se…but it is a good start for understanding ‘what it is’
Ok cool. But I’ll tell you what started me so you’re aware of it.
Just before coming to this thread another of your posts was telling people to “get over it” (re the Vietnam war) and that you knew better because you had a relative there or something. It sounded cocky and arrogant then when I came to this thread, you were telling colinsign:
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This is not dialogue. This is not “correct me if I’m wrong” material. I have no problem with people being cocky and sure of themselves, so long as they dont complain when I respond in a similar manner. I suggest you put a “this is how I see it” or “this is what I believe” to tone down you statements if you don’t want someone else really charging at you.
Anyway, you have shown a lot of maturity to make peace, so peace it is. Enjoy your stay.
Let’s assume that sexuality is not genetic. That sexuality, and sexual practice, are, in fact, largely social and cultural. Put procreation to one side (in fact, fling it out the window) - sexuality as the art and act of the sexual.
Sexuality - seceretly - has an open door policy!! Anyone is welcome in any way…but through the dynamic of human experience we tend to find that each person selects their sexuality. whittles it down. carves out their preference and their sexual idiosyncrcies.
Assume we are ‘raw meat’ ripe for sculpting - we are capable of ANY sexual combination - outside of procreation. The vast majority choose ‘not to venture’ into the sordid land of ‘sensual and sexual’ play.
In a sense there is no ‘reason’ in bisexuality and homosexuality. It is in a very real sense - the outcome - of the ‘hardwired instinct of improvisation’.
I don’t get why people keep saying this? As Melthris said, radom mutations happen all the time and one result of this random gene mix may be homosexuality. Genetic infertility has been popping up throughout history yet the condition is obviously not passed on via sexual reproduction either. In these cases, what’s passed on is the genes ability to randomly mutate – not a specific outcome.
Secondly, why do people think homosexuality is either nature or nurture? Why can’t some homosexuality be 100% nature-based while anothers 100% nurture-based and the rest, various combinations of the two?
Finally --slightly off topic – I normally don’t respond to gay/bi-racial threads because I just don’t care. I don’t care whether a person’s preference for blonds/redheads, blacks/whites or different/same sex partner is genetic or conditional or a combination. If someone enjoys his/her innate sexual preference(s) and they’re not harming anyone, the rest is not my – or anyone else’s – business. To demand peoples’ private lives be subject to the whims of the majority is what I deem to be ‘immoral’.
This is a fundamental difference between a republic and a democracy. The U.S. is a REPUBLIC (with representative democratic processes). In simplistic terms: a republic protects the rights of minorities over mob-rule (dictatorship by the majority) while a democratic state does not.
If Greece was a republic, and not a democracy, Socrates might be alive today.
I hear what you’re saying…and I don’t really diagree…I guess I was probably reacting to the word ‘mutation’ above all things. But it is the most appropraite word.
‘As the result of random gene mix’ and ‘genetically determined and therefore as inherent and unchanging as skin colour’ are two quite different things…
Actualy the gene can be passed through reproduction, the same way that baldness can be passed through reproduction. Hetrosexual men with the gay gene are better lovers and have better social skills according to research.
Embrace trees, I am bisexual, I will happily marry you, and yes, that poem is a true story…try not to be too angry with me…life is all about experiencing many different things…sometimes withoutk knowing it…speak soon…colin
You are correct. Let me give you my own formula, Colinsign.
For example, I think Tab, Gamer, and Dunamis are gorgeous. Solid, strong men with beautiful features and healthy stature. My first and only order of business with these men would be to FIND THEM HEALTHY WOMEN as soon as possible so that they could make babies. Now, I would hug each of them, pat 'em on the ass, hell, I’d kiss 'em on the cheek just to get a laugh and make them feel awkward- but having sex with them is entirely out of the question.
What I don’t understand is how the appreciation of beauty in one’s own gender translates into the desire to have sex with them. With you, for instance, that incident in the alley with that dude is what I would call “mercy sex.” I believe that you were using sex as a means to suspend a depression and provide for each of you a sense of relief from the horrors of existential anxiety.
You set up an imaginary God, an imaginary law, and a set of imaginary morals, so you could create the experience of crying out against these things and commiting yourself to the absurdity of rebellion against fatalism- clenching your fists at God and screaming- “No! You manevolent fuck! I WILL NOT follow your plan. My friend and I suffer because of you and each-other is all we got. So fuck your rules and your plans…I will do the exact opposite of what you want.”
You see, Colinsign, there is something more deeply rooted in your psychology that affords you the justification of your bisexual acts. It isn’t simply a matter of ‘getting off,’ because if that were the case, you’d whack off and call it a day. You are creating some kind of symbolism with your bisexual acts, and that is what needs to be analyzed. The act represents a ritual for you…it is loaded with metaphors and aesthetic expressions.
You fucking artists are strange creatures. Now you got some explaining to do, lad. Let’s hear it.
Good to hear from you detrop…what afford me the justification is that it is ‘wholly possible’ the acts and the manner in which i choose to define myself…as for the ‘ritual’ aspect I can see you’re point…but to be honest my homosexual activities have been very limited and in know way ‘conforming’ to the standard that is mainstream homosexuality, if homosexuality can ever be said to have a mainstream.
I think the symbolism and ‘loaded metaphors’ offer me asm uch food for thought as yourself…
As for you appreciating my ‘beauty of the both sexes’ this doesn’t mean I would sleep with anyone at any old spare minute of the day. It simply means I appricate, at a most superifical level, the beautiful, the physical aspect of life and the body. This does not mean I would ‘dive into’ a relationship with either a man or a woman superficially. Nor does it mean I won’t ever have a relationship that will invovle me becoming a Father.
I had homosexual encounters before I feared any God - let me tell you - at a very young age…I no longer fear any God per se… though you make a valid observation…I would claim that the malevolent fuck, is actually not God, but that MASS OF PEOPLE…the majority who refuse to see the Plasticine nature of being.
Seeing how you try to initiate forum sex by both posting several times about your masturbation habits as well as request PhilosophyGirl to give a detailed description of her own so you can listen…I’d say you should heed your own advice.
I’m trying my hardest not to knock you out, pal, but you make it so easy.