Can we classify the death of Jesus as suicide by authority? Knowing of the jewish law ( Blasphemy) and the punishment thereof (death) can we derive that Jesus had commited suicide by authority. EX: If I were to point a gun at several police officers and they informed me that if I didn’t put down the weapon that I would be shot and after three warnings each followed by my conformation that I understood the consequences and yet I did not disarm and was shot am I commiting suicide by authority? It’s my opinion that Jesus’s death was suicide by authority and suicide is a fobbiden action by god. All opinions are welcome
Did Jesus blaspheme? When charged with claiming to be King of the Jews, doesn’t Jesus respond “This is what you’ve called me”, or something like that?
I’m more inclined to think that Jesus’ death was neither an act of sacrifice nor a suicide, but cold-blooded murder…
Jesus himself gives us insight into the nature of his death when he speaks words of forgiveness… If Jesus chose his death, as must be the case in a sacrifice or suicide, there is nothing for him to forgive… The only option that fits with his forgiveness is if he was killed against his will…
I would say that you are getting what you deserve.
regardless of what Jesus said during his ‘trial’ he had claimed that the only way to God was through him - if the Gospels are correct - and this would be heretical unless he is accepted as the Messiah. But the ‘ifs’ here are many.
Some Christians do view the whole Jesus death scenario as a kind of fated, almost ritualistic death, where even Judas has a role, ‘role’ being used in its predetermined act in a drama that is already ‘written’. I am not sure if it makes the whole thing suicide by authority or if this even matters.
Most Christians would view Jesus as an exception and those who failed (or continue to fail) to notice his exceptional nature are the ones who are wrong, so trying to ‘catch God’ in some sort of contradiction is really a rather silly process.
I am not a Christian, but however much theologians with their silly Angels on the head of a pin and centuries of deductive, mental gymnastics are partly to blame, the joining in of this kind of ‘game’ by atheists seems silly to me. It is pretty strawman, in fact. Or, at the very least, it attacks one of the sillier traditions in Christianity. Attacking the sillier portions of one’s ‘opponents’ can be satisfying, but…I’m not sure what it leads to except to a false sense that one has refuted a whole one has not.
You are mistaking suicide for sacrifice.
I think you mean he is mistaking sacrifice for suicide. But I think this is a good ‘mistake’ to make. Sacrifice has had its time and it is not a great ideal.
I’m not a Christian or a believer in any kind of supernatural in this universe. I believe that Jesus, thinking that he was the Messiah (riding into Jerusalem on the foal of an ass), lead a band of men to cleanse the Temple in order to overthrow the corrupt priesthood (staying away from criticizing the Romans–“give to Caesar…”). But the priesthood had more influence with the Roman’s than he had hoped and were able to have the Romans find him guilty of insurrection against Rome.
As an aside, he knew he was accepting a very dangerous risk since his partner, John the Baptizer, had been executed by Herod Antipas without any serious repercussions, and if the Romans did decide to execute him, it would be by crucifixion.