SUPERSTITION - The Seat of Intelligence

Every infant is born
equipped with a sense of superstitious awareness
the uncultured mind remains open to the boundless invisible world
of the imagination
therein lies fairies, goblins, imps, ogres
and the idea of God.

If this were not so
man would be an uninspired zombi
good for little more
than machining clocks

There would be no inner impulse
to explain the universe
wonder at the meaning of existence
write verse
or solve mysteries
with one another

Yet
ironically
superstitious awareness
is equated with primitive ignorance
instead of being praised
for its uncontaminated boundlessness

What pseudo-intellectual snobs
we all are

How foully has the clear mind been contaminated
and pigeon-holed by logic
to the point that we can no longer recognize
or acknowledge
the source of our inspirations
and the dreams
we have made real

Magnetman, you’re a kook, but I like you anyway.

Of course, I disagree. I think superstition, or imagination, which is what you seem to be really getting at, is a defense mechanism that we use to occupy the mind when confronted with situations that we can’t yet resolve intellectually. Children have wild imaginations because they haven’t developed the intellectual resources necessary to deal with much of what they’re confronted with.

A useful tool, because fantasy is often better than false conclusions, but ultimately imagination is something to be overcome. The object is to come to see life as objectively good, not to envision alternate realities that suit our current, self-serving definition of goodness.

I like those who like me
but i don’t think you actually mean
you are like me

One day the kooks of the worlrd
will unite
and kooks will rule :smiley:

Superstition: An intuitive sense that the Universe has soul (or as I say :- is conscious of consciousness)

Superstitious inspirations
originate in the intuitive side of the (right) brain
These impulses serve not only to bring a heightened awareness
to the inner spirit that enlightens and brings beauty to life
but also to over-come the unimaginative helplessness (mental grid-lock)
It stimulates the analytical powers of the left brain with ideation
and inspires the complete psyche
to work towards finding creative solutions
to the problems of life

Children lose the powers of inner vision
when they are confined inside classrooms for six hours a day
for twelve years
and systematically indoctrinated by the sate
with left brain analytical data
leaving the right brain to atrophy
and thereby creating entire nations
of production line robots

the day we all lose the power of imagination
and the inner spirit that powers it
is the day the specie
extinguishes the art of life
dies of boredom
commits mass suicide
and becomes extinct

The objective underlying the evolution of human consciousness
is to one fine day
transcend the tedium of egotistical material aspirations
and to clearly see that matter is spirit
that we are part and parcel of the universal spirit
and that spirit is good. =D>

I don’t have any serious knowledge in this area but I have always assumed that superstition stemmed from the same impulse as scientific inquiry, our need to make sense of the world around us, to find explanations for the phenomena around us.
If we do not have any tangible evidence to explain those things we don’t understand our imagination fills the gaps or we trust the people around us that are older or more experience and have held certain beliefs for generations before us. For example if our cow stops giving us milk there must be a witch near by who put a hex on it.
I believe the need to find explanations for the phenomena around us comes from an instinctive and innate need to asses our surroundings and potential dangers they may pose. A survival instinct.

People seem to think that imagination, superstition, fantasy, scientific creativity are all from different sources in the mind. However we harness our imaginations, it matters little, all that matters is how we use them practically, they all have their uses, and flexing imaginative muscles in science or literature or art are things all people do whether author, scientist or fundamentalist.

The only difference I can see is that these days people are more selective in what they believe. But you don’t have to believe in something to make use of it, take Stephen King or Clive Barker for example, or a pure mathematician or philosophy as a whole, plenty of superstition in all of those. Because of the amount of fiction and fact we are subject to and the sheer amount of people and ideas, we are more imaginative than ever we could have been in history. Being almost overwhelmed with ideas, both fantastic and speculative. The question is then does one have to believe in superstition to make use of it? And are superstitions not more part of the collective culture of the world than ever they were? How many people in history would have known of the local superstitions of at least 5 dozen different cultures? And most people now a days do, they just don’t realise the source of all of them, although some like dragons and vampires and ghosts are fairly ubiquitous. What were the social uses of superstitions? Taboos, telling us not to do certain things, making us afraid of the dark, afraid of the unknown, enabling to put out fears in words and to deal with them? We still do that as much as ever we did, although some fears might have changed, in fact we do it more, in fact sometimes when we are alone at night or reading or watching a particularly scary story we even believe them.

Me for example I grew up on fantasy, did role playing games as a kid up to my early 20s, know a fair deal about religions mythology generally, and a little about the occult likewise, both Christian and pagan and will hopefully be studying for a degree in physics. All the most imaginative and creative areas of life I like to explore. I think I couldn’t really be subject to more superstition personally especially in physics ironically enough. There’s been a more imaginative time to be alive I think, in philosophy and science at least, or mythology, the only square peg is organised religion which tends to be a little dogmatic. Exercising your imagination strengthens it, whatever it is and whether you ultimately believe it or not.

Wake up with a hypothesis disprove it over breakfast, then you are ready to work.

Anon scientist.

As far as I can see the only real seat of ignorance, is thinking there is one true path to enlightenment or that we can discard any areas of the imagination just because we don’t exercise them or they aren’t immediately useful to us. I don’t want to go all Buddhist but its a fairly common sense idea that all things are ultimately connected, and in real life some ideas come from some amazingly unconnected spheres of thought, it’s a matter of how many connections you have in your head I suppose, as to how far your imagination can take you. And as I say: we’ve never been better placed to imagine. This is one thing I see as ironic about fear of science, it’s not as if it hasn’t expanded your mind and horizons in the media age further than ever they could of been, and in fact infinitely far in terms of space. Humbling how small a part of all that exists we really are isn’t it.

Superstition (not imagination) is believing something blindly. A belief or notion not based on logic or reason.
It is historically or culturally interesting to learn about superstitions held by others but how can it be beneficial for someone to continue to believe something that isn’t true?
Imagination is different we can enjoy imagination and creativity without allowing it to control our lives and actions, it can influence but not control us. Whereas superstition can cripple and control, forcing us in to a course of action and limiting our freedom of choice.

Well not quite, many Christians dismiss other religions as superstitious mumbo jumbo, so you don’t have to believe it, although historically at least you would, like most memes it is actually at face value a neutral medium. For example no one really believes urban legends and yet many of them are superstitions which snowball in the telling. Personally I was only talking about them from a neutral perspective without believing they are true. I think mostly they are superfluous and have been superseded.

I could easily show how some beliefs can be beneficial for things that we might never understand like what happens after we die, how the Universe came to be, where beliefs no matter how irrational may bring overall comfort to people. As long as there are unanswerable questions superstition exists. I like you question whether they need to, but they clearly are useful to some. They don’t even have to be unanswerable there just needs to be some doubt. Clearly the mind has a powerful influence over the body and can fight illness, mental and physical. Obviously superstitions can help there. In science the placebo effect is sometimes quite powerful and fairly easy to observe in objective scientific studies.

Animism is a superstitious belief that the universe is conscious

An Animist
is intuitively (superstitiously) conscious of consciousness
and learns to governs his or her behavior
in response to subtle signals, omens and hunches
that filter through analytical consciousness
during daily life

So what is consciousness?

On the positive side
Consciousness is about being self aware
aware of others
about intelligence
about design
about purpose
about ideation
about evolution towards higher objectives
about correcting mistake

On the negative side
it is about concern for behavioral ethics
about protection of territorial boundaries
about warning against trespass
about punishment of trespass
about learning via mistake

Ultimately
consciousness it is about regard for the care of others
about joy in perfecting design
about reciprocal love
about recognizing the essential intimacy
of cosmic inter-relationships
and finding reunion

Is comfort more valuable than truth?

That’s a subjective issue, of course many people don’t treat their superstitions as anything but true. Mind you I was only really pointing out the obvious that superstition isn’t 100% negative, like all memes its how they are interpreted and utilised.

I forget who said it, it might of been Laplace but if people had a deep understanding of probability then superstition probably wouldn’t exist.

Personally though I have no objection to magnetmans philosophy, provided its not hurting anyone I really couldn’t care how people interpret the world. With a name like Sidhe, it’s obvious I have an interest in animism, and find it personally fascinating. I don’t believe in it but I don’t see it as all that harmful in and of itself.

I agree that superstition is not 100% negative but I would argue that rather than being the “seat of intelligence” it is a straw that is grasped at where knowledge is lacking.

Indeed. I don’t think we really differ at all on anything significant. I too disagree with superstition being all that important to the process, everything magnetman has mentioned has been dealt with by more modern thinkers without the need of superstition explicitly especially ethical concerns. I just don’t think it’s useless, stretching our imagination never really is. It’s just been superseded.

I think if we lost spiritualism or religion we’d fill that imaginative niche with something else, that would eventually resemble it just the same. It’s tied up too much in our societies, and dare I say it even in our genetics. For example stimulating certain areas of the brain with electromagnetic probes can make us feel spiritual (ie feelings of something else being present and a certain sense of elation) without actually using any verbal cues like religious or spiritual dialogue, we certainly don’t need to be open to superstition to feel it, and it varies in strength from person to person, from strong feelings to none. Some people atheists included have religious epileptic visions that are very powerful. I suppose we have to accept that it is part of us because for most of our history we have been superstitious. For me I’d explain that religion made us programmed to feel spiritual throughout our social history though, presumably by it being genetically beneficial.

Quote me something
that impressed you
which you feel is a modern (more rational?) approach to superstition
and why anyone should be influenced enough by that
to think it is no longer an important factor in human development

This will allow me the courtesy
of dealing fairly
with your summary dismissal

I am not afraid
of being proved wrong
In fact I welcome anything more relevant
than I have dealt with to date

Few people believe in primitive superstitions any more. What more is there to be said? I’ve already highlighted why I think they don’t need to. You either agree or you don’t.

Superstition is baloney.

Some guy

Yo that Shizzle is fo’ dizzle… Word sucker.

Richard Dawkins

It’s rather like trying to convince Christians Jesus doesn’t exist because of some guy. If you want to believe in the spiritual go for it, I don’t care, nor do I have any will or need to convince you otherwise.

SUPERSTITIOUS GUIDANCE

Prelude

We evoked the intuitive source
of superstition
in all of our children
after weaning
at around age 3

saw it governing their good behavior
by age seven

and reverentially accepted by the analytical side of the cortex
before each underwent the rites of puberty

Three of them
since then
accepted the precepts of adulthood
by taking formal possession
of a symbolic gold key
on their birthday
at age 21

All of them affirm
that superstition will guide them
and their family fortunes
till death
even as they employ the tools of science
and help to extend our range of knowledge
beyond the atom

As superstitious scientists
I see them as meta-physicians
maha scientists
if you will

Each is now in the era
of their most creative expressions

only one has chosen to specialize
so far
the other three
want to remain open
to all options

in short
they are not looking for teachers
other than right here
at home
learning to steward the family estate
and connect it to the world
with the internet at hand

I cannot wait to meet them
at their menopause
and see the first hint of grey

There has been much opposition to the Psych-Genetic theory
one thing I know
is that a sincere effort was made not to read or quote from books
but do out into the field and investigate first hand
the pre-literate roots
of our spiritual intuitions and social ethics
basic human values and survival smarts
which were gradually developed and set
in our first twp formative Ages
long before wars and written commentaries arrived
to analyze, contort and distort
our basic nature

every other theologian and social philosopher
since the end of the Bronze Age
when scripture first appeared
has been forced to theorize and postulate
on the relationship between man and Nature
and man and God
after the mass dysfunction that ended the Bronze Age
had already begun
and therefore has achieved little more
than build mistake upon mistake
crusade upon jihad
consequently in this towering modern Babel
of conflicting ideologies in religion, economics and politics
the naivete of Psyche-Genetics and its claim that we are a single family
sharing identical spiritual and social values
with a common origin and a common destiny
seems to be far too simplistic
to be true

the real irony is because it is so straight forward and uncomplicated
lacking in the drama of racial and ethnic blaming and condemnations
or adding to the contorted sophistries that feed our dysfunctions
other than the rejection it has already experienced
little notice will be paid to the Psyche-genetic theory
until after current systems have finally collapsed

The romanticization
of the faculty of imagination
within human consciousness
ignores for what purpose
this faculty is put.

Abstract conceptualizations
and projections of future events
serve to aid an individual
in his capacity to understand
and manipulate his environment,
depending upon the given accuracy of these projections
when set against their standard,
reality.

Therefore,
does consciousness utilise its perception
to determine its actions
in relation to
the given circumstances.

However,
imagination may also be used
to fabricate ideas pertaining
to objects
which do not exist.
Or to create
a supposed
level of being
which is
beside,
behind,
without,
or above
what is perceived.
Therefore can reality
be denied
in preference
to the alternative,
the desired state;
Fantasy.

Such thinking indicates
a nihilistic drive
to deny reality
as it perceived.
An urge to flee
into a secondary level of existence,
in order to escape
that which is regarded as
undesirable.

Therefore, can superstition
be regarded as
the favourable
perspective.

The “Seat” of “Intelligence”.

#-o

If superstition was indeed
a fantasy of a mind
wishing to escape reality
your musings would be valid

But what if superstition
is indeed a realistic take on reality
an inner sense that all trespasses are indeed punishable
and all good deeds rewardable
not by accident
but by design?

Would that not mean that superstition
really is the seat of intelligent behavior

I think some superstition can be founded on real-life situations where people have learned from mistakes, but a lot of superstition is just that… superstition, which is probably the learnings from stupid mistakes.

Superstition
is more than simply an intuitive knowledge or harmonic with of the Law of Cause and Effect
by definition
it is an extra sensory perception of the super-natural

for instance
at times
even before a trespass is made
there is an eerie portentous sensation - an omen of sorts
that something ominous is about to happen
and that there will be consequences
hypersensitive souls wear or carry talismans and charms as protection
Christians wear Crosses