SUPERSTITION - The Seat of Intelligence

[apaosha]

@MagnetMan

If superstition was indeed
a fantasy of a mind
wishing to escape reality
your musings would be valid

But what if superstition
is indeed a realistic take on reality
an inner sense that all trespasses are indeed punishable
and all good deeds rewardable
not by accident
but by design?

Would that not mean that superstition
really is the seat of intelligent behavior

Nowhere have I ever seen
a beginning or an end.
Ex Nihilo, Causa Sui;
these are impossibilities.
That which existed,
before existing,
in order to bring itself into existence,
contradicts itself.
Such an insane logical paradox
is however
commonplace.

Nowhere have I seen
an adjudicator of my life
who rewards me
based upon a system of merit
to which I do not comform.

Nor would I suffer
such an adjudicator,
were it to exist.

However,
reality without a direction,
formless, mutable, non-linear;
without purpose inherent,
without meaning inherent;
such a reality cannot be faced
by a certain breed of mind.

For what is purpose
and meaning
but a humanisation
of what is perceived?
Of what interest, to the subject,
are your interpretations of the subject?

Would I suffer an imagined tyrant
who judged my decisions
by his own standard
and sent me to hell or heaven
based on this standard?

I would not.
My life is my own.
My decisions are my own.

The consequences… are my own.

To those who wish to deny or escape reality,
such an adjudicator,
such an authority,
is welcome.
As this entity gives a purpose and a meaning
to lives incapable of determining their own.

An imagined goal for all,
an imagined destination for all.
Before God, all are equal.
Before God, all are equally small.

[MagnetMan]

@apaosha

Nowhere have I seen
an adjudicator of my life
who rewards me
based upon a system of merit
to which I do not comform.

Would I suffer an imagined tyrant
who judged my decisions
by his own standard
and sent me to hell or heaven
based on this standard?

That tyrant is thy own self
the final judgment is your own
the destination
one of your own choosing
woe betide thyself
on the deathbed
if thy judgment is harsh
God on the other hand
is all Compassionate
and knows full well
you have not the wisdom to judge
and all trespass is done through ignorance
and therefor would not send you down

I would not.
My life is my own.
My decisions are my own.

Aye
too true
except for “accidents”
and dreams
they come and go
and haunt
beyond your control
I wonder why

Nowhere have I ever seen
a beginning or an end.
Ex Nihilo, Causa Sui;
these are impossibilities.
That which existed,
before existing,
in order to bring itself into existence,
contradicts itself.
Such an insane logical paradox
is however
commonplace.

And yet
presto!
here we are!
and only God knows how
or why

However,
reality without a direction,
formless, mutable, non-linear;
without purpose inherent,
without meaning inherent;
such a reality cannot be faced
by a certain breed of mind.

That breed is born
with a designer’s mind
scornful of randomness
and deeply appreciative of perfect form
and sustained effect

For what is purpose
and meaning
but a humanisation
of what is perceived?
Of what interest, to the subject,
are your interpretations of the subject?

The purpose is to be a conscious witness
and share in the wonder
of it all

An imagined goal for all,
an imagined destination for all.

Matter is an illusion
only energy exists
the rest is in your imagination
and it is Divine

Before God, all are equal.
Before God, all are equally small.

Amen, brother

[apaosha]

That tyrant is thy own self
the final judgment is your own
the destination
one of your own choosing
woe betide thyself
on the deathbed
if thy judgment is harsh
God on the other hand
is all Compassionate
and would not send you down

In order to be consistent
and to avoid hypocrisy
for the sake of feel good platitudes;
I must be judge and avenger
of my own law.

I do not wish to be spared
the consequences of my actions.
Therefore if I fail to meet
the conditions of the goals
which I set myself,
I will judge myself unworthy.

Were I truly unworthy, however
I would wish for a God
to comfort me and distract me
from all the foolishness and failures
of my life.
An entity that, no matter how much I have failed,
yet persists in informing me that
it is the taking part that counts…

Aye
too true
except for dreams
they come and go
and haunt
beyond your control
I wonder why

I have always had dreams.
They are ideals which contain
all my good.
Reality, however, knows nothing of my good
and contains much that I would call evil, besides.

When a mind regards the Ideal
as that which must be pursued
in preference to what is apparent,
this mind denies reality
in preference to it’s fantasy.

I have never done
more injury to myself
than when I pursued
an Ideal
in preference to
reality.

That breed is born
with a designer’s mind
scornful of randomness
and deeply appreciative of perfect form
and sustained effect

Indeed.
That breed of mind presumes
that the universe must conform
to that breed of mind’s interpretation
of the universe.

The purpose is to be a conscious witness
and share in the wonder
of it all

To hold a purpose
is to possess a consciousness
with which to determine a goal.

It follows therefore
that the universe lacks a purpose.

Unless we are to become entirely insane
and to assume that
atoms possess
their own consciousness.

But that is unthinkable,
is it not?

Matter is an illusion
only energy exists
the rest is in your imagination
and it is Divine

Matter is a condition
of energy.
Energy is energy.
Imagination is humanity.
The divine is illusion…

Amen, brother

I am no brother of yours, MagnetWoman.
I am the devil come to rip and shred
the flesh of young lambs,
come to seduce as many as possible
away from the herd…

I desire no Leveling.
To me,
the World is a place
of brutal competition
wherein the incapable
are ruthlessly culled
by their very own nature.
Thus, their is no omnipotent power
to reduce all
to the same level
thus sparing the incapable
from the repurcussions
of their nature.

[MagnetMan]

@apaosha

In order to be consistent
and to avoid hypocrisy
for the sake of feel good platitudes;
I must be judge and avenger
of my own law.

There is no private law
that does not interact
and is not dependent
on Cosmic Law
therefore there is no way
you are any where competent enough
to make even the slightest judgment
on any breath you breath

I do not wish to be spared
the consequences of my actions.

you can rest well assured
that you will either pay or be paid
that is certain

Therefore if I fail to meet
the conditions of the goals
which I set myself,
I will judge myself unworthy.
Were I truly unworthy, however
I would wish for a God
to comfort me and distract me
from all the foolishness and failures
of my life.

All of us will die as sinners
knowing full well that we have failed to live up to our expectations
that too is certain
that is why we need comfort in that final hour
least we are far to harsh on ourselves
In life we tend to pat ourselves on the back
in death all that we have ignored
comes home to roost
and we die
gnashing our teeth

An entity that, no matter how much I have failed,
yet persists in informing me that
it is the taking part that counts…

He who laughs last
cries tears of compassion
and will not enter heaven
while one souls suffers in hell

I have always had dreams.
They are ideals which contain
all my good.
Reality, however, knows nothing of my good
and contains much that I would call evil, besides.
When a mind regards the Ideal
as that which must be pursued
in preference to what is apparent,
this mind denies reality
in preference to it’s fantasy.

If there have been no nightmares to test your certainty
no knowledge that the sage is a fool too
no realization that the sane is insane too
no sense that your male is a female too
no dynamic that you are both negative an positive
you are indeed one dimensional
a child that has yet to mature
and know the dichotomy of the self

I have never done
more injury to myself
than when I pursued
an Ideal
in preference to
reality.

Only the self-realized can distinguish
between ideal and reality
and even then
doubts which real is real

.
That breed of mind presumes
that the universe must conform
to that breed of mind’s interpretation
of the universe.

Aye
every perspective is unique
even yours
is that not marvelous!!

To hold a purpose
is to possess a consciousness
with which to determine a goal.

It follows therefore
that the universe lacks a purpose.

\with due respect
that does not follow
my consciousness is inherited
I was born with it
it arises from Universal consciousness
thus if i am conscious of a goal
that too is inherited

Unless we are to become entirely insane
and to assume that
atoms possess
their own consciousness.

I am not entirely insane
only half
and both halves agree
that every atom must hold the seeds of consciousness
or from where did it arise?
A vacuum?

But that is unthinkable,
is it not?

It is all I think about
where on earth
or heaven
do you think consciousness arose
and resides?

Matter is a condition
of energy.
Energy is energy.

We may know the quantum nature of energy
but what is its quality?

Imagination is humanity.
The divine is illusion…

True

I am no brother of yours, MagnetWoman.
I am the devil come to rip and shred
the flesh of young lambs,
come to seduce as many as possible
away from the herd…

It is the fate of man
to give the devil his due
and quench his thirst on our salty blood
poor soul
never to taste the sweet Nectar of the gods

I desire no Leveling.
To me,
the World is a place
of brutal competition
wherein the incapable
are ruthlessly culled
by their very own nature.
Thus, their is no omnipotent power
to reduce all
to the same level
thus sparing the incapable
from the repurcussions
of their nature.

[/quote]
Some few have risen above the jungle floor
and its law
they have poked their heads above the canopy
and reach for a higher law

[Iconoclast_Worshippe (Iconoclast Worshipper)]

@MagnetMan

Every infant is born
equipped with a sense of superstitious awareness
we have made real

and you know this how?
have you examined every infant born into the world?

[Anthem]

Oh, never mind him, Ike.

Nice name, by the way. Welcome

[apaosha]

There is no private law
that does not interact
and is not dependent
on Cosmic Law
therefore there is no way
you are any where competent enough
to make even the slightest judgment
on any breath you breath

It is indicative of an urge
to denigrate the self
in comparison to the collective
which posits that
populist or majority opinion
overrides individual valuation.

One should note, however
that associating oneself
with a recognised or popular
system of values
can be seen as a way in which
to legitimize oneself
through this association.

Therefore, can the weak-minded and inebriated
claim to possess perspectives of merit
through reciting what is commonly held to be
self-evident or immutable.
Thus attaining self-respect vicariously
through the admiration of their fellow
members of the flock.

But to say all that
is not to address the central
assertion of your disturbed mind.
That there is a Law outside
human fabrication of value
is to assert that laws and values
can exist inherent to reality.
These assumed “Laws”
are then discovered by humanity
rather than created by humanity.

This is seen as further legitimization,
as it removes these “Laws” from the human spectrum,
elevating them to a purported
“higher plane” of value
and thus incapable of being questioned
by humanity.

It remains a fact, however,
that these supposed “Laws”
have been fabricated by this mad imbecile
and that they are questionable.

I have done so…

you can rest well assured
that you will either pay or be paid
that is certain

I am satisfied that when I die
my body will dissolve through decomposition
into its constituent parts.

There will be nothing to tender payment to
or receive from.

All of us will die as sinners
knowing full well that we have failed to live up to our expectations
that too is certain
that is why we need comfort in that final hour
least we are far to harsh on ourselves
In life we tend to pat ourselves on the back
in death all that we have ignored
comes home to roost
and we die
gnashing our teeth

Ideals, like all absolutes
are unreachable.

The proximity in which you end your life
in relation to your ideal
determines the value you will apply
to the result of your life.

He who laughs last
cries tears of compassion
and will not enter heaven
while one souls suffers in hell

The ideal of altruism
is a charming fantasy
which has no understanding
of human nature.

Tell me, mad imbecile,
where are Heaven
and Hell?
How are you aware
of their existence
and the conditions
under which one
is permitted entrance?

If there have been no nightmares to test your certainty
no knowledge that the sage is a fool too
no realization that the sane is insane too
no sense that your male is a female too
no dynamic that you are both negative an positive
you are indeed one dimensional
a child that has yet to mature
and know the dichotomy of the self

Dualism is a fallacy
which purports that
existence can be categorized
into 2 broad, opposing Forms.

This fallacy derives from human language
and has no meaning beyond
our system of compare/contrast
dichotomy.

For example,
darkness does not oppose light;
it is merely the absence of such
within our perception.
Similarly,
insanity and sanity
are values based upon
a societies notion
of what it is
to function successfully
within that society.
Or the capacity to repeat
the same action
and expect a different result
each time.

I would urge yourself
in particular
to consider this last
aspect…

Only the self-realized can distinguish
between ideal and reality
and even then
doubts which real is real

Ah, and do you, dear mad imbecile,
hold the keys to self-realization?

Is this the sales-pitch
to your prospective cult members,
out there in the desert
pursuing the sustainable-living angle?

Do you offer to show
weak, desperate minds
the path to themselves
in turn for a monthly tithe?

Hmmm?

When determining what is real
I observe reality
through the medium
of my senses.

What is peculiar about reality
is that it is available to all,
can be analysed by all.

Therefore, the quality of ones interpretation
can be judged by all.
Whereas, when one posits a theory
based upon the fluffy rabbits bouncing around
inside ones head,
it is difficult for others to appreciate
the full value of this theory.

I’m sure you agree?

Aye
every perspective is unique
even yours
is that not marvelous!!

I would propose that
the value of a perspective
should be judged
by how it accurately describes
and purports to explain
what it refers to.

\with due respect
that does not follow
my consciousness is inherited
I was born with it
it arises from Universal consciousness
thus if i am conscious of a goal
that too is inherited

I am not entirely insane
only half
and both halves agree
that every atom must hold the seeds of consciousness
or from where did it arise?
A vacuum?

It is all I think about
where on earth
or heaven
do you think consciousness arose
and resides?

Given that damage to the organ of the brain
demonstrably impairs the function of the mind
it can be stated that
there is a correlation between
the brain and the mind.
Further, that the condition of the brain
is the condition of the mind.
That the mind is the effect of the organ of the brain,
the result of biological activity.

That consciousness is particular
to a certain organisation of material
which produces a certain effect
under certain conditions.

Therefore, my mind
will not survive
the death of my body.
Therefore, a mind
cannot be inherited
nor exist
without of the body.

The body is mortal.
The mind, too, is mortal.

It is the fate of man
to give the devil his due
and quench his thirst on our salty blood
poor soul
never to taste the sweet Nectar of the gods

It is a common social organisation
to organise by herd
or by pack.

When the wolves descend upon the fold
much blood is spilt…

Some few have risen above the jungle floor
and its law
they have poked their heads above the canopy
and reach for a higher law

The collective whereby
an individual weakling
is protected from the consequences
of his existence
by the support of his fellow weaklings
… is the herd structure.

Herein, a non-threatening little sheep
is appointed a position that carries with it
it’s own institutional power.
Thereby, said weakling,
though being impotent
may excersise the herds Will.

In a pack,
the hierarchies are organised such that
ones continuing efficacy
determines ones place.
This pack is an alliance
of predators
who feed upon the sheep
precisely because these sheep
are weak and easy prey.

It is a cost/benefit arrangement
based upon a risk/reward assessment.

As is the choice between becoming a sheep or a wolf.

[apaosha]

@Anthem

Oh, never mind him, Ike.

Nice name, by the way. Welcome

Dude, post in verse.

You can’t play this party game if you don’t follow the rules.

[Iconoclast_Worshippe (Iconoclast Worshipper)]

If MagnetMan asserts his hypothesis by using superstition and is also advising the reader to praise superstition, then he is a self-promoting narcissist. If he asserts his hypothesis by using logic, while at the same time minimalizing the usefulness of logic, then he is self-refuting or at least gives us no reason to believe what he is saying.

If I use my superstition to deny his superstition, then how will the reader judge the truthiness of each hypothesis? By using his own superstition, and so on ad infinitum. Therefore superstition is a failed attempt to discoper any truth.

PS: why must my posts be approved by a moderator?

[MagsJ (Surya Loka)]

@IconoclastWorshipper

PS: why must my posts be approved by a moderator?

…just a spot of admin control on new members - sorry for the inconvinience.

[MagsJ (Surya Loka)]

@apaosha

@Anthem

Oh, never mind him, Ike.

Nice name, by the way. Welcome

Dude, post in verse.

You can’t play this party game if you don’t follow the rules.

Lol

[MagsJ (Surya Loka)]

@MagnetMan

Superstition
is more than simply an intuitive knowledge or harmonic with of the Law of Cause and Effect
by definition
it is an extra sensory perception of the super-natural

for instance
at times
even before a trespass is made
there is an eerie portentous sensation - an omen of sorts
that something ominous is about to happen
and that there will be consequences
hypersensitive souls wear or carry talismans and charms as protection
Christians wear Crosses

will reply to this later today, but perhaps not in verse…

[Anthem]

@apaosha

@Anthem

Oh, never mind him, Ike.

Nice name, by the way. Welcome

Dude, post in verse.

You can’t play this party game if you don’t follow the rules.

My
bad

[anon]

@MagnetMan

Every infant is born
equipped with a sense of superstitious awareness
the uncultured mind remains open to the boundless invisible world
of the imagination
therein lies fairies, goblins, imps, ogres
and the idea of God.

It’s kind of hard for me to remember back that far!

I don’t remember ever believing in fairies, goblins, imps or ogres. I did once believe in God, but I don’t think I came up with the idea myself. And I think it was always a fairly weak belief.

[MagnetMan]

@IconoclastWorshipper

If MagnetMan asserts his hypothesis by using superstition and is also advising the reader to praise superstition, then he is a self-promoting narcissist. If he asserts his hypothesis by using logic, while at the same time minimalizing the usefulness of logic, then he is self-refuting or at least gives us no reason to believe what he is saying.

You must ask yourselves
why is the cerebral cortex formed into two hemispheres?
Why does the left side of the brain analyze in-coming data
and the right cortex intuit intangible ideas?
what really is the relationship between the two brains?
Where does inspiration spring from?
Why is mankind imaginative?

what really does constitute human intelligence?

In an earlier Age
religious teaching predominated
and we became overly intuitively superstitious
and our analytical thinkers were branded as heretics

The pendulum has swung the other way
In this Age
since early childhood
all of us have had our analytical capacity
systematically indoctrinated inside closed classrooms
for six hours a day for twelve years and more
as a net result we have an over-exercised left cortex
and an under-developed right cortex
our intuitive potential has been left to atrophy

and so now the unbalanced left side of the psyche calls itself a wolf
and sneers at the plaintive bleating of the right side
is that not insane?

So, my incredulous friends
explain
why do we have two brains
if one side is not necessary?

Why has all of mankind
in every culture
at all times
believed in a reality that lies beyond the physical senses?
if our ancestors were all primitive imbeciles
where then did you inherit your smarts?
and how and why did we become cultured?

What is the real seat of our intelligence?
What has allowed us to rise so high above all other species?
the mortal development of an apposable thumb?
or the superstitious ideation of a deathless soul?

[Iconoclast_Worshippe (Iconoclast Worshipper)]

Riddle me this, your hypothesis about the seat of our intelligence, do you maintain it using superstition or logic/reason? What is your weapon to uphold your view? Then I will make my next move.

[MagnetMan]

@IconoclastWorshipper

Riddle me this, your hypothesis about the seat of our intelligence, do you maintain it using superstition or logic/reason? What is your weapon to uphold your view? Then I will make my next move.

I am saying that logic is dependent on data
that the left side of our brain serves primarily as a computer
processing incoming data
that side of the brain is incapable of coming up with new ideas

All inspirations and ideations
are intuited by the dreamy right brain
which is primarily superstitious

The ability to be inspired (origin spirit)
is what made human’s evolve
if technology were the original seat of our intelligence
there would be no humans
we would survive quite comfortably as apes still do
using sticks to prod at insects
with no conscious need get beyond that level of intelligence

[Iconoclast_Worshippe (Iconoclast Worshipper)]

All inspirations and ideations
are intuited by the dreamy right brain
which is primarily superstitious

What does this word “primarily” mean here? do you mean to say that not all ideas and inspiration comes from superstition?
If my understanding is correct, then your hypothesis is a result of superstition. You seem to have a superstition about superstition, hence you are circling, you are therefore not proving anything, since there is nothing behind your claim about superstition besides the same superstition. I do not even need logic to negate your claim.

[MagnetMan]

@IconoclastWorshipper

All inspirations and ideations
are intuited by the dreamy right brain
which is primarily superstitious

What does this word “primarily” mean here? do you mean to say that not all ideas and inspiration comes from superstition?
If my understanding is correct, then your hypothesis is a result of superstition. You seem to have a superstition about superstition, hence you are circling, you are therefore not proving anything, since there is nothing behind your claim about superstition besides the same superstition. I do not even need logic to negate your claim.

Well then
tell me
logically
since you think logic is the base of human intelligence
how and why did all cultures become superstitious
where is the logic in that?
Why take the trouble to develop major theologies
and invest billions in time and money
building vast religious edifices around the globe
and spend two hundred generations training ministers
who in turn
trained the scientists we have today?

Why indeed today
does the majority of the people in even the most technologically advanced cultures
continue to believe there is a God?

Since you refuse to acknowledge the base of circumstantial logic behind my reasoning
positing a two-brain system as the source
a subjective dismissal from you will not be enough
that will be contradictory to your argument
for that implies that the majority of the specie is basically illogical
which is what I am saying

I insist on an objective answer
that proves you right and me wrong
complete with physical evidence

[Iconoclast_Worshippe (Iconoclast Worshipper)]

@MagnetMan

Well then
tell me
logically
since you think logic is the base of human intelligence

Is there a “base” for intelligence? How do you know that? I thought that all the brain functions have an impact on intelligence, so I really do not see a “base”.