I don’t believe all of those were positives.
I didn’t read them all, I was just posting a simplistic response.
Like no fear of death, peace of mind, etc.
That’s a lot to surrender to and I kind of see it as an inner conflict happening. Working on something like that is a process, it takes time and if it is going to be real, it will take reflection and it could be a tug of war.
Also, if the universe has no meaning and life has no meaning, according to what you wrote above, what need would there be in “surrendering” - Would even of the rest of the above mean anything?
Sometimes the only thing worth surrendering to is the present moment…our thoughts, our emotions, our egos in certain moments when we feel it necessary in order to feel free. That takes care of the rest and then later on we contemplate and reflect on what it was which caused us to have come some far away from detached self. Surrender is not so easy a thing.
Surrendering implies losing. Syrup, are you telling us all to be losers?
Obviously in this forum, that would appear to be the ultimate perspective. That’s why there is a Rant forum, that’s why there are so many in here who do not know boundaries or care to know them. Surrendering their egos - to them is like death, it’s like giving up. The more the ego rises up, the more irrational we become, the less logical we are - we’ve already lost in the game. We’ve already become losers.
I was speaking of a different kind of surrender anyway. That is not what I was speaking about in the first place. If you will read what I wrote below:
Sometimes we need to choose what it is that is worthy of fighting and what is not worthy of fighting, what is not worthy of getting ourselves all tied up in knots for, what is not worthy of chasing our tails like a dog or running around a bush, the same bush, and getting no where.
Surrendering ourselves to the present moment is not the same as giving up. It’s letting go. It only appears to be giving up, losing, because that is the mentality with which we conduct ourselves, based on fear, having to prove ourselves, especially as something which we are not. If we’ve lost the fight, the argument, what happens - we become demeaning, derogatory, biased/racist…we give into those things. We use all of the manipulation and under-handedness, pettiness which we can. The way I look at it, we have already surrendered ourselves and lost ourselves. In these moments, we forget who we are if we ever had any sense at all of who we are to begin with.
I believe that the idea that the ego is inherently irrational, is irrational.
There is no way to surrender to the present moment, since we are already conscious of and can only be conscious of the present moment. Imagining the future or past is still part of the present moment, only it entails a lack of attention to stimuli outside of our brains.
I make a point of not telling anyone how to think for that is beyond my control. One mind may of course influence another
mind but the final decision has to be taken by the host mind itself. I know that there is ultimately no meaning to anything
so I do not cling to rigid ideology. Instead I just accept what is and reject what is not while I am here and when I am dead
it shall not matter. So I am just passing through. For life is but a blip between the eternity of pre birth and the eternity of
post death. Learning to let go is the way to true enlightenment. However you have to discover your own truth for I cannot
tell you what that is. Even if it is the same as mine you will have to find it yourself since it comes from within not without
I never said that. The ego isn’t inherently irrational. When I spoke of ego, I was speaking of our hubris. Those moments when our EGO is on high alert, when we feel such a need to protect it - and from what? Basically ourselves. We are our own enemy.
Obviously, ego is necessary for survival and to have an identity. I’m not a buddhist though that may be a bit unfair. I don’t know much about them. But I think that to them ego is something to lose. EGO is something to lose but not ego - unless it wraps itself around one and chokes them practically to death.
Of course, one can surrender to the present moment. But maybe I could have worded that differently.
What I mean was detaching from whatever is in our thoughts and emotions, letting them go, and just “being” in the moment. You called me a word before – “syrup” or syruppy" that might be a good way to describe it. Just letting it flow.
Another way of surrendering to the present moment is being mindful, focused on whatever you are supposed to be doing, or whatever you are doing in the moment.
The word surrender doesn’t have to have negative connotations to it.
Syrup was surreptitious.
Ah, I get it. A play on words.
The only thing I will surrender to is the void and the indigo of which is the highest frequency of ascension for the human mind and being.
It is the balance between several subjects and mind.
The present is not a monolithic whole but an infinity of nows all seamlessly connected
Each one is so small that it can not actually be measured and can only be experienced
The present is not a monolithic whole but an infinity of nows all seamlessly connected
Each one is so small that it can not actually be measured and can only be experienced
Who wouldn’t surrender to THAT - the below…
I love indigo. First it grabs hold of me, embraces me, and then I gladly surrender to it.
What musical note would indigo be, I wonder?
lunarplanner.com/Harmonics/p … onics.html
Sounds hot.
Well not only the below… ‘as above ~ so below’
Hello.
Awareness, which is who you are, surrenders control of all situations (and thus everything), to a realized force of energy. The outcome of surrender is ever-present and thus ever-known. The realized force of energy takes you places where you would not have gone before you surrendered. In this way you surrender to life, and the beauty that it offers. I think this is what the original poster realizes, in a religious way. Many clearly see religion for what it is.
- Cec