Has anyone here been sick yet? I would be curious to know your symptoms.
Curious, why are you philosophers not discussing the Flu. Is it forbidden here? I am sure I am not the only person who has experienced this flu, it is all over our world right. There is still a lot more to come.
What a waste, great minds can figure this thing out.
Hi SkyBear, … my family has all had it, and no big deal… to tell you the truth, I’m sick and tired of the media coverage of it. I’ve even changed my morning radio station over it all, due to incessant over-coverage. So far as I am concerned, it’s a panic-demic of hyping up the fact that people get sick. I was already well aware of that. 
Hello Oughtist, I am glad to hear you and your family did well with the swine. How did you know you and your family had it when in most placed they do not even test for it now?
I am however surprised in your response, normally your thinking is not so "main stream’ you are usually an out -side of the box thinker. Most people share your way of thinking. People think the media is hyping this thing up to scare us, but are they? Or, is that what they want you to think? The media is reporting this wrong. The CDC does not have exact numbers because the only people who are tested are the ones who end up in ER.
My town was never on the news, nor the towns surrounding us. Many children here have ended up in Childrens Hospitals in the city, suffering from secondary infections. Many critical. Our obituaries are much higher than normal, many young people.
If this is more mild than the normal Flu, than why has it been declared an emergency, we do not declare an emergency when the seasonal flu rolls around, and supposedly it kills more people.
Perhaps the Media is hyping it up just enough to get people to run in line to get a vaccination.
And just enough for people to be considered ‘crackpots’ if they choose to think there is more to the story.
We weren’t clinically diagnosed or anything, but we each definitely had the “flu”, and the information I’m getting is that if you’ve had the flu in the last two months or so, it’s most likely Swine… infact, that Swine has actually displaced “normal” flu (making the upcoming round of “normal” vaccinations redundant). My wife &b I are both teachers, so we tend to get the very latest in communicable diseases…
I’m finding many people don’t share my way of thinking, except insofar as it relates to government mismanagement of the whole deal. I’m not particularly conspiratorial about it all, except to suggest that the vaccination program is largely bent on economic motivation (keeping people at work), and not particularly on “health & wellness” (I’m in the camp that thinks it’s good, in the long run, for the immune system to get a good solid yearly work-out). Many people, it seems, seem to roughly equate having a vaccination with taking vitamins…
Are the children in your area suffering from preexisting conditons, or otherwise of lower general health than the normal population? It seems clearly true that there is an abberant epidemiological pattern to this strain, but it’s still related at something like 90% to secondary contributing factors.
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"We got a drug
We’re gonna try it out on you
Won’t make you die
It’ll getcha just a little bit sick
Chorus
Got a head cold
Got a chest cold
And it’s three days old
(Goin’ on forever)
Make you hazy
Make you lazy
Drive you crazy
For days and days and days and days and days
And years
Barely got the time now
To stay on the job
Double up the dosage in your water supply
Make you even sicker ‘til you’re slippin’ away
Getting all depressed
It’s getting all your friends
You can’t get it up
For nothing that’ll rock the boat
The government flu
The government flu
The government flu
Slip it abroad
Keep a-slowin’ down the USSR
But meanwhile
We’ll keep an eye
On what it’s doin’ to you
Chorus
Got a head cold
Got a chest cold
And it’s three days old
(Goin’ on forever)
Make you hazy
Make you lazy
Drive you crazy
For days and days and days and days and days
And days and days and days and days and days
And days and days and days and days and days
And years
The government flu
The government flu
The government flu
Flew
Through
You…. "-Jello
-Imp
Imp, if there was a “Thank you” feature on this forum, I would have thanked you for that chilling song.
Oughtist, I agree, I do believe we are better off fighting virus’s I am not one for vaccination to the extent we use it. Hopefully having the flu seasonaly will have boosted our immune system to fight this virus. It does seem to be populations with people who have been over vaccinated or people who are not immune to the seasonal flu that are being hit the hardest.
Quite a few of the children here came down with symptoms after being vaccinated. Which happened to be around the same time the flu ran rampant in my town. No, most children did not have compromised health issues, although most are yearly vaccinated, so they have never experienced the flu before, although that is not the case with all people.
The H1N1 vaccination was given out in the low income area’s first, weeks before the flu hit, what is up with that? That is so unlike our government to do. (looking out the little guy???)
I do however know a huge amount of people that are still experiencing problems, weeks after the flu has passed. Dizziness, confusion, fatique, and oddly low body temps.
I googled low body temps with swine flu. It had been searched over 9 million times before I found it, obviously I am not the only one concerned. Why have we not heard about it? The media is excited when it comes to stirring the pot. Why is some information quick to be reported, while others are kept quiet. Why are we not hearing about the Ukrain right now? Why so quiet?
I think the fact that the media is playing this down is what makes me curious. There are a lot of stories out there that the media is not touching. That is not like the media.
I do not think the “Swine” is going to kill us all, but I do think it is going to "dumb’ a bunch of us up.
I am aware of the information that has been given to the school system, I am getting the same.
I know quite a few people who’ve had it or who have it now, several of whom were tested to check which strain. Not one of them had any more problems than with a regular 'flu. One was unimpressed, said she’d had worse hangovers. So if you want to build up a picture based on anecdote, you can take that on board.
They’re spending far too much time on what’s more or less a normal (slightly more virulent) 'flu wave.
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Out of interest, how could you see how many Google searches had been done on the terms you used?
I also had the same reaction as your friend when I first had the flu. I had a horrible case of flu in April, so this recent one seemed like nothing to me, BUT everyone is not the same. My mother became very sick, as well as children around me.
It will be interesting to see your optimistic friends symptoms in a few weeks, perhaps months. I bet she will never even think that it could be related to the Swine. ( [size=85]Do research on the symptoms of the Swine victims from April And MAY[/size])
I am not painting this out to be a mass killer, I am saying that there is more to this, and there is.
I am not going to stir up a conspiracy where I know it is not wanted. I have done a lot of leg work out of curiousity.
This is a good start, A Nun with inside scoop, very interesting if you have the time.
disinfo.com/2009/11/spanish- … swine-flu/
You say the media is stirring this up, but all the info you have is coming from the media. You trust the media? Do your own research, then come back with that conclusion. And, unless you have done your own research, and listen to the media, I will sound like a crack pot to you.
Ironic, Philosophers are so busy philosophising about the past, that they forget to look in front of them.
By The way, when you search a subject, the numbers show up on the top right hand side.
Your Quote is very appropriate. ~[i][b] A man will be imprisoned in a room with a door that’s unlocked and opens inwards; as long as it does not occur to him to pull rather than push.
- Ludwig Wittgenstein [/b][/i]Only_Humean
Just turn the knob, I will see you on the other side.
I asked her, as I am interested. She had it in July, and since then her CFS has cleared up a little. No dizziness, confusion, body temp problems, and less fatigue (although she had a pre-existing condition that made that worse than usual anyway).
As far as low body temperatures go, that’s not all that uncommon. Infections usually cause fevers, but can also lower core body temperature. nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency … 000666.htm
Fair enough. Your Nun comes from the media too. Scientific papers are “media”. Anecdotes are not “media”, and the anecdotal evidence I have doesn’t suggest much out of the ordinary. It’s slightly dangerous to vulnerable groups, like other 'flu viruses.
If you sound like a crackpot until I do my own research, then it’s already clear you want me to do the research that makes you sound less like a crackpot. At the moment, you haven’t put forward any theories at all, so you don’t sound like a crackpot, you just sound like you have a few anxiety issues. So what’s your theory and what are the numbers to back it up, or are you just uneasy in general?
That’s the number of results found, not the number of people who’ve searched for it. “Swine flu” and “body temperature” together will give lots of results anyway, as it’s a fever - but only 130,000, so where does the 9 million figure come from? I’m just curious, I’d love to know how many people searched for different terms.
You will, and you won’t even have to thank me for freeing you. The problem with the quote is that any old crackpot can use it 
It’s a useful reminder to keep an open mind, is all. But not so open that everything falls out and leaves it empty…
Very Good, I may have underestimated you.
Now we are talking ; )
I will come back to this later when I have the time to sit infront of the computer.
You are right, I may be anxious. I have a head full of thoughts I want to share.
The London borough in which I live has had the highest cases of piggy flu in the entire UK 
I put that down to the affluence of the borough enabling it’s residents to travel abroad multiple times a year - my neighbour just recovered from it yesterday, and I’m certain I had it a few months back but it only lasted a coupla days… plenty of residents here have had it.
I apoligise for taking a while to get back to this thread. I am seldomly around a computer this time of year.
If I would have responded a few days ago, I would have been full of theories, but I am not so sure how much of it would have been my own.
But Today, I have no theory. Instead I am full of questions. Although people around me still have occasional low body temps, it does not seem to bother them, and for the most part the Swine has left my town, and is off to the next place.
( By the way, search “Flu no Fever”) there are plenty of Low Body temp stories. Doctors around here are unconcerned about it, they say low body temps do not worry them, not to mention they say it is being taken wrong, or it is a mechanical error.
I have heard a few stories about different people who became ill again a few weeks after they had healed. A woman in my town is in a coma after recovering from the flu. Most people do seem to have done well this flu very few did not.
BUT, if this flu is less dangerous than the seasonal flu, why do some measures of precaution seem to be extreme. For example, our local hospital has gauards out front of the doors checking appointments, only people with appointments can enter. The gaurds must make sure everyone uses hand sanitiser when entering and leaving the hospital. Why after the flu has passed do they start this. Schools around here have been vaccinating kids by the hundreds ,AFTER the flu has passed. I have never seen these things done during seasonal flu. Sure, it may seem like common sense to do these things, but why now, for a flu that is not worth a sneeze?
So the only thing I can come up with is, either our Government is being a bit extreme, or they know something I don’t.
Do you know?
Hi SkyBear,
Even if they do know something you don’t, don’t assume they know what they’re doing… 
A monster just passed through town, and the people need to relax about it, so the Structure comes out to tense things up, and then everyone will be able to release easier, such as to go on assuming we’re in control again, or at least blessed and protected by the Authority. [-o<