Thanks PK. That was pretty much the point I was trying to make. People acknowledging the fact that they don’t know. The Philosopher’s tone! 
Still have no idea what Ichthus was trying to avoid saying!
I have no clue either.
Neither of us sound like robots.
It reminds me of mag actually…
The cult of her and her secret wisdom which is never revealed. When she reveals the secret it all crashes on her.
It wasn’t meant to endure.
Peter. I’m an honorable man. I don’t do shit like that.
I use the heart hack instead of the spirit hack.
It’s a good idea. I don’t want someone to do the spirit hack to me. You and your wife can share my heart without being 100% hacked.
I’ll add to my last post Peter.
I can possess people at will and I can be possessed at will.
That’s a much harder life than you comprehend.
And I know you have a shit life.
A cosmic being once told me…
“You have no idea how easy you had it”
I thought my suffering before being told that was the worst ever. I was wrong. The spirit that told me that was right.
I’ve been told two things by spirit that I’ll remember…
“Anyone would want to be you”
“I wouldn’t wish that upon anyone”
I live by my wits Peter. Thousands and thousands and thousands of hell realms I’ve endured.
Stuff that would make you kill yourself in a minute.
I endured.
Oh sure, as a collective we’re horribly fractured. There’s no “one size fits all” way of being for the individual I think. I was always interested in the underlying reasons we are so fractured, but also capable of unity of purpose in the face of common apparant threats.
I see the history of humanity more in terms of competing systems, running in the background. And I’m interested which persist, become so ubiquitous they fade from view.
They blend too. For example, club beats fists, sword beats club, armour beats sword, bow beats armour, gun beats bow.
All very linear. But after a point it grows, because you can’t produce the more exotic weaponry in your back yard single handed. Swords require forges, guns require chemistry etc. And these require a certain type of society.
To survive competition, to persist, a society must be able to adopt the qualities that enable this progression of offence, and since 500 people with weapons always beats 1 person with the same weapon, must also be able to recruit a large unified force.
For the individual this means they must have developed the capacity to be recruited into a larger whole. A society of true individualists would always be defeated by a society which had sacrificed individuality for collectivism in extremis.
These are what I mean by “behaviour shaped by solutions outside of time” even when only clubs exist in the universe, the solution of the sword, the gun, the unified army a million strong, are inevitable. Why? Because these are all possible with the given physical constraints and will be stumbled across, given enough time and enough monkies with typewriters.
The technology itself is simple, it’s the social engineering that allows it’s emergence and effective utilisation in the field that’s hard, and answers the question of “why is the world the way it is” at any given point in its progress. It’s the way it is to support the winning system at that stage.
And individuals and societies that don’t, or can’t, die.
I watched Oppenheimer a couple of weeks ago. The race to develop the new winning strategy - think of the logistics required to build that bomb. Not just the trucks and the uranium, but the systemic - you need an Einstein, you need maths to have reached a point, the whole modern world and all of its tortured history so far were poured into those bombs. Do you see what I mean?
These winning strategies dictate all. Wherever you are, whenever you are. Human, alien, doesn’t matter, if it was at some point biologic, existing within an environment with finite resources then game theory and persistent pan-species qualities quietly ratcheting upward in the background rules all.
Religions competed to recruit and unify and demonize enemies efficiently. Feudalism, slavery, communism, capitalism compete to provide logistic support for conquest. Those that conquer persist. And the cycle continues.
At the moment, we are fractured. But maybe, a society of the fractured is what is needed now? The next war, or perhaps the war that is already being perpetrated is economic, financial. Perhaps the waging of this war requires a host society to be distracted, be so caught up in the petty day to day social media outrages that it cannot interfere with the machine.
This is what I meant on the other thread about whether it matters if the children of the evil capitalists are all that survive as long as someone does?
AI is a whole new ball game. It will be the only intelligence that sprang fully formed from the head of zeus. Comparatively anyway. Personally, I think we’ll all be cyborgs 100 years from now, by choice.
They’re doing back alley science now. The nerds are going rogue. Misfits who see the BS for what it is will be more advanced than those enforcing the BS— because they aren’t brainwashed against the sort of thinking it requires to truly advance. The BS-pushers don’t even see them coming.
I like to call them the mad hatters. I meant libbers. Mad libbers.
Have you read any of Cory Doctorow’s books? They essentially follow the same narrative, back street techies trying to reinvent a better form of society. They’re really good. “For the win” is my favourite.
I haven’t but it sounds really good.
They are doing the backward travailed science, after the hypothetical reversed engineered clearance can be assured , of returning to a magical world of mystical participation has been a fixed routed reversal, the hypothetical is obsessively held on to because the oft repeated cross chanelled traverse is mantrically magical, the Word, containing the magic of the sign sealed and selivered infinitely into an eternity of space-time,
How they know that magic links to revelation. a parabolic route returning over again: bless them who call that heed!
I must be going mad. I kinda understood that.
Magic implies an already extant, but hidden, occulted, system of martialed forces ready to be manipulated, if only you can discover the magic words. The parallel with technology to the nth degree and the idea of reverse engineering it to utilise fractions of its potential is easy to see.
Did I get a gold star meno?
Tab,
Hi Tab. Did the student tell you why he felt that way?
No you must not understand , unless realize the Word, in it’s own biblically set idiom stretches parellel to that the source covering the stretched time that implicit with the lotus sutra implies, from Shakyamuni through Nichiren, do not contradict that sourced, in as far as the East can meet Western eschologycal succession.
The parallel is implicit within the later-current manifestation of signs, not as prophetic, and technologically feasible.
Now if you can understand the above, then you do get the medal, but if you do not, then you should deserve it, and for that very reason, I will further clarify.
I did understand that on re-reading, the occulted system, of marriages forces, meaning a reductive attempt at review, failing to disclose the appearance of suceeding-growing general framework of the signal that can nonnect via recollection of a reassamblege ( of forgotten associations)
The parallel attempts to reconnect, neurologically, psychologically and socially, failing , is compensated instinctively - magically- by the artificial semblance AI of technological innovation.
(2nd elaboration)
Life is an honor system.
I can possess you, you can possess me.
What do locks mean in a world like that?
There’s an old phrase, “ people lock their doors to keep honest people honest”
Sure we all know about a few white lies slipping in for societally beneficial causes, note ing suprising there.
Less obviously, perhaps not for the doubly meant significance of affecting some credible response from the teacher, by offering him an apple?
Nah!
I don’t think I gave him a chance, I did the classic English “gee whiz just doing my job” bit and scrammed. We don’t do well with compliments lol.
Meno, you lost me again. 
Meno_ said the student would give the professor an apple, but didn’t want to send the wrong message about keeping away from doctors, and wasn’t sure the professor wore dentures (and he wanted full credit for the course), AND he felt giving apples is so Little House on the Prairie & might provoke an awkward discussion, so he punted back to a reliable, “It was an honor to meet you.” Which it truly was, and he was probably quiet the entire semester & too shy to say it, but HAD to say something … something apples don’t say.
You’re welcome.
Belatedly, will English as a second language serve well in defense for optically elusive placement in the classroom?
But then can the docs cure sleeping beauty?
Hope so cause if not, all abstract free flows of ideas may be relegated to levels of suspected salad venues, though the tie in of these are as much inducative