taxing the evil rich

"BAR STOOL ECONOMICS

Suppose that every day, ten men go out for beer and the bill for all ten comes to $100. If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this:

The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing.
The fifth would pay $1.
The sixth would pay $3
The seventh would pay $7.
The eighth would pay $12.
The ninth would pay $18.
The tenth man (the richest) would pay $59.

So, that’s what they decided to do . The ten men drank in the bar every day and seemed quite happy with the arrangement, until one day, the owner threw them a curve. ‘Since you are all such good customers,’ he
said, 'I’m going to reduce the cost of your daily beer by $20. 'Drinks for the ten now cost just $80.

The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes so the first four men were unaffected. They would still drink for free. But what about the other six men - the paying customers? How could they divide the $20 windfall so that everyone would get his fair share?’ They realized that $20 divided by six is $3.33. But if they subtracted that from everybody’s share, then the fifth man and the sixth man would each end up being paid to drink his beer. So, the bar owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each man’s bill by roughly the same amount, and he proceeded to work out the amounts each should pay.

And so:
The fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing (100% savings).
The sixth now paid $2 instead of $3 (33%savings) .
The seventh now pay $5 instead of $7 (28%savings) .
The eighth now paid $9 instead of $12 (25% savings).
The ninth now paid $14 instead of $18 (22% savings).
The tenth now paid $49 instead of $59 (16% savings).

Each of the six was better off than before. And the first four continued to drink for free. But once outside the restaurant, the men began to compare their savings.

‘I only got a dollar out of the $20,‘declared the sixth man. He pointed to the tenth man,’ but he got $10!’

‘Yeah, that’s right,’ exclaimed the fifth man. ‘I only saved a dollar, too. It’s unfair that he got ten times more than I did!’

‘That’s true!!’ shouted the seventh man. ‘Why should he get $10 back when I got only two? The wealthy get all the breaks!’

‘Wait a minute,’ yelled the first four men in unison. ‘We didn’t get anything at all. The system exploits the poor!’

The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up.

The next night the tenth man didn’t show up for drinks, so the nine sat down and had beers without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered something important. They didn’t have enough money
between all of them for even half of the bill!

And that, boys and girls, journalists, liberals, and college professors, is how our tax system works. The people who pay the highest taxes get the most benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, or attack them
for being wealthy, and they just may not show up anymore. In fact, they might start drinking overseas where the atmosphere is somewhat friendlier.

(attributed to a phantom author)

For those who understand, no explanation is needed.
For those who do not understand, no explanation is possible."

and they can’t see the revolution coming…

-Imp

Haha, love it.
But was the tenth guy a fair trader or did he get his money by exploiting the poor guys in the first place because he was protected by the other system?

What it forgot to mention was that the first 4 men were drinking bathtub rotgut full of health hazards, and the tenth was drinking The Macallan Fine and Rare Collection, circa 1926. The 9th and 10th men accounted for 91.2% of all liquor drank, and the rest shared 8.8% of the drink between them. What 9 and 10 didn’t tell them is that they were the supplier for the bar, so they actually made money every night they drank.

9 and 10 made out like bandits, and were too dumb to realize it. So when 9 and 10 left, the bill reduced to around 8 dollars, and the savings to 5-8 were massive.

Seeing their savings, they decided to upgrade everyone’s drink, and they were all now drinking top shelf vodka for a fraction of the price they drank rot-gut when 9 and 10 were present.

They didn’t mind when the bartender called them socialist, though, the upgraded standard of drink was worth the rhetoric.

LOL.

=D>

What your analogy lacks is the fact that the 10th man drove a different luxury car to the bar every night, with bitch and bling, lighting his cigars with hundred dollar bills all night while the 1st man took the bus and lives in his parents basement.

Another silly pretend example of taxation. The real fact is the middle group pays the most money
because the upper class hides their tax rate with lawyers and accountants.

So the stated payment of the rich guy is at $59, is really closer to $17 (this according to warren buffet)
so out of the $100, the middle group will pay the majority of the bill. So if the richest guy
only pays $17, (and will get a tax cut for it) and the other 5 guys will pay $83 or $16.6 per
guy and wind up paying more then the rich guy. this is the reality of the situation.

Kropotkin

Thats a simplistic analysis. DO you think the rich are the ones going to be leading this revolution over unfair taxes or… ? taxing is unfair, but theres also some inherent unfairness in the idea that a tiny percent controls all the wealth, unless you just honestly believe all rich people worked that hard for their money and all middle-class and lower class people just ‘didn’t try hard enough’

idiocy. dumb. stupid.

an analogy for the poor and huddled morons hungry and looking to breathe free.

I don’t much care about the rich exploiting the poor, or the government taxing everyone. I’m so cynical, my expectations of man are so little that any suffering brought to them is a gift from God…

My only frustration with taxes is the fact that the government knows full well the majority of people are uneducated pricks, yet develops a tax system that even fairly intelligent people have trouble deciphering. Why should we have to pay a complicated annual tax every year? Why not just take the percentage out of our paychecks every week that way there’s no chance of tax fraud and no need to fund the IRS?

Frankly if I didn’t live with my parents I’d make an example out of the broken tax system and never pay. I’d refuse on the basis of things would be alot better for both of us if they took the percentage out of my paycheck.

The pile of dead IRS agents on my front lawn would also make an example of I don’t take kindly to intimidation. And that they can either reconsider my idea or just move on and harass some other schmuck…

or, they’d call a swat team and a sniper would blow your brains out on your kitchen floor. Ruby ridge 2.

You do know the tenth man already has taken his money to get cheaper labor overseas, right? It is called “Outsourcing”. By the way, how did that tenth guy get rich in the first place? That is a story I would like to hear.

Except that the richest man is paying 1/10000000000 of his income, and the poorest 1/2, even with the apportioning.

I salute you, what a flawless response.

sublime.

So on behalf of the wealthy even though I am lower midlle class. I speak for responsibility. Just how did the powerful get powerful and the wealthy get wealthy? Why, the poor allowed it to happen and after every revolution to kill the wealthy and powerful more wealthy and powerful arise from the poor… Why is that my children? Well because , its easier to follow than lead. If the poor accept what is offered then why should they not accept the responsibility of accepting it? If they cannot work together and increase their standards why should they not be held responsible? The wealthy may have walked over backs to get to the top, but no one stood up to stop the wealthy they stayed bent and did nothing. The wealthy and the middle class pay the most taxes. Our dollar is taxed more than once even though it is illegal to do so.

Your Obama and your McCain both accept full salary and percs. for being Senators, even though they claim they are for the poor guy… think about it… Stand up and accept responsibility , make a choice to be independent and not just employed. Be your own boss and quite crying, if others can do it that have far less intelligence then any here, I think you all can do it.

There is a poker game with one guy who has 1 million in chips and one guy who has 1 hundred in chips. The guy with the million in chips can play for weeks on end waiting for the good hand to come, go all in, and crush the guy with 100 hundred in chips.

The rules of poker are the rules. There is a chance for the guy with 100 in chips to win, but they’re slim. The question is can the rules of the game be changed with both the million chip guy and the 100 chip guy feeling that the new rules are in their favor?

Try John Rawls. His great accomplishemt is to present such a system. His great failure is that no one seems to like it.

  1. A national economy is not a zero sum game.

  2. There are anti-trust laws to prevent such a monopoly in the real world.

I am not an economist or anything like that, but this is one of the reasons why I am wary of the plan to pass the tax burden onto the big businesses. When the rich benefit, the poor will benefit also (trickle down effect). But, when you hurt the rich, everyone else will eventually end up getting hurt, too. Businesses are not social welfare organizations; nor would they like to see themselves as such; they are, first and foremost about profit. They have to make profit to stay in business, and if we reduce their profit margin, they are not going to just bend over and take it, they will pass the costs back down to us. If we don’t give them incentive to do business here, they can simply pack up and move on to greener pastures, which in the long run can hurt our economy here. :confused: