Teacher and Student

There is something about education that is way out of balance…in education it is the responsibility of both student and teacher to be involved in the learning process…
it seems like the responsibility for learning has been shifted more toward the teacher…
i think this is a big mistake…please weigh in…

where is that happening? and how did the responsibility has been shifted toward the teacher?

good questions—i cant give a good answer…it is more of a feeling that kids are not motivated to learn and the teacher is asked to work harder so the standard tests can be passed…

most kids are spoiled and they dont work at learning
at school…

Standardized testing is a bugbear all right. It’s pretty much ruined education for a vast number of students whose parents can’t afford to send them to a good private school. My brother sent his kids to Montessori school until high school, when they went to public school and did very well. My siblings and I all went to Catholic school through high school, and me through college. That was a great education comparatively although the brutality of some of the nuns and priests was difficult. Nowadays, knowing what I know about public schools, I think a good private school, or maybe home schooling, is the way to go if you can afford it…

Well since most teachers think there is stuff that should be in students’ minds and it is their job to get it in there and see little irony in thinking this way in a democracy, well they should feel responsible for their failures. As long as they think that discipline rather than passion and curiosity are what get things done - with all the implicit ‘learning is not/should not be fun’, children cannot be the center of learning, nature is bad, civilization is good (children being a part of the former), children cannot learn from each other, teachers are not there to learn and so on - and they have accepted a role that is both cop and…hm, programmer?!, I don’t mind them feeling bad for the low grades of their students - oh, God, the implications of grades…but don’t get me started.

The teacher can only lead the horse to water, he can’t make him drink.
At the moment I am marking essays and the amount of student who simply don’t give a f*** is astounding. Some hand in late, some don’t hand in at all, some just write a few paragraphs, and still expect to pass. Even when I try and be as helpful as possible, they still put in a half-arsed job. How hard is it to answer an e-mail?
In short, there are those students who do want to succeed, who do want to learn, these you don’t have to worry about because they have the inner desire. Then there are those who will think they only have to do bear minimum to pass; even though that’s often not enough.

why do public schools keep passing students who fail…where are the consequences to unacceptable
behavior… they should be directed to the student…

turtle, you know very well why public schools are passing or promoting failing students. Funding is often predicated on those kinds of quotas or statistics.

jonquil it really is different hearing you say it…
what a shit house that is…omg…that is what we are paying for…

I hope you understand that public schools nowadays are being deliberately set up to fail so that corporate and private interests can take them over. This is a very bad business, similar with the prisons too.

jonqui that is depressing…

i find it hard to believe what jonquil is saying…
being set up to fail…i dont see that in my school district…how many failing kids are held back…

Nevertheless, that is indeed the case. This is all because of corporate and privatization interests that want to get control of education for profit. The Bush family is involved, too, surprise, surprise (not). Here’s the rundown scenario. Defund public education, forcing school districts into bankruptcy or near bankruptcy; fix funding limits based on quotas and conditions that are impossible to meet for many schools. Then when the schools fail and the district cannot afford to implement measures to improve them, then corporate and private interests can take over. That’s what the charter schools, special schools, and the companies designing and operating online and cheap education are all about. And guess what, those guys are the cronies of every fucking Reep governor in the USA.

Sources?

Actually, I am about to fail about half a dozen students. This I am obliged to do under the marking criteria. Non-submitted essays or essays without references equals automatic fail. So I don’t think it’s correct to say (in Australia anyway) students are being passed who deserved to fail. That said, there are many who just want to scrape through on minimum effort.

They want to privitize everything, water, our very bodies and genes, no doubt air sooner or later.

The teacher can only lead the horse to water, he can’t make him drink. At the moment I am marking essays and the amount of student who simply don’t give a f*** is astounding. Some hand in late, some don’t hand in at all, some just write a few paragraphs, and still expect to pass. Even when I try and be as helpful as possible, they still put in a half-arsed job. How hard is it to answer an e-mail?
In short, there are those students who do want to succeed, who do want to learn, these you don’t have to worry about because they have the inner desire. Then there are those who will think they only have to do bear minimum to pass; even though that’s often not enough.
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why do public schools keep passing students who fail…where are the consequences to unacceptable
behavior… they should be directed to the student…
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Actually, I am about to fail about half a dozen students. This I am obliged to do under the marking criteria. Non-submitted essays or essays without references equals automatic fail. So I don’t think it’s correct to say (in Australia anyway) students are being passed who deserved to fail. That said, there are many who just want to scrape through on minimum effort.
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turtle wrote----
fent what will happen to the failed students…

I know. It’s getting ridiculous… and scary.

I find as a student the biggest problem is that teachers hold to a curriculum that tells you that"x+y=z" and then just have us memorize that, do worksheets and repeat it on a quiz.
Its not really teaching, its memorization. You occasionally get good teachers (like my current history teacher) that actually teach you things.
And thats really weird because history is mostly thought of as just knowing what happened which is practically memorization.