Ten Questions For Classical Theists

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How can there be nothing outside of existence if you exist?

The light shines in the darkness and the darkness has not overcome it,

You need to exist to claim that you don’t exist so nihilism is false.

You can exist and lack life for sure.

Many atheists claim that they exist and don’t exist because they think that they are a misrepresentation of reality (an illusion).

Whose interested in misrepresentations of reality (illusions).Reality is what matters.

Don’t confuse existence with life.Existence is not the same as life.A binary processing machine bot. Exists and doesn’t Exist and has no concept of what life is.

So as a minimum you are a lifeless binary processing machine bot that claims things.You need to exist first to claim things.You need to exist first to claim anything at all.It doesn’t mean that you possess life though.

You need to be separated from the lifeless binary processing biological machine bot which claims that it exists and doesn’t exist.

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As is the case for ‘morality’ or any cocnept, it all depends on how we CHOOSE to define concepts, represented by our words, numbers, symbols.

Our method exposes our intent - will.

Our intent justifies our method - necessity.

As is often the case ‘god’, or theos , a conventional definition is adopted, which in this case is Abrahamic.

So, ‘god’, in our modern minds, is always associated with biblical definitions, which begin with the metaphysical, represented by…..the word.

If, in order to correct our nihilistic approach, we CHOOSE to begin with physis - the observable, experienced, interactive, falsifiable, empirical, independently verifiable - before we proceed to advance towards the metaphysical, then the term ‘god’ becomes less abstract, less word dependent, and more real.

But centuries of indoctrination has traiend modern man the last man - to always use the backward approach - the nihilistic method, beginning with metaphysical abstractions and then trying to fit the experienced world within their contexts. (Top-Down emoting)

A more useful, honest, approach, would begin from the bottom, the experienced world - physis.

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I start with the metaphysical fact that existence exists, which I can perceive directly, and I define my terms according to the rules laid out in the Objective Theory of Concept formation. Definitions are propositions, and their truth or falsehood is determined by conformity to reality.

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I agree with you that one must exist in order to claim anthing. Knowledge requires a subject (consciousness) and some object to be conscious of (existence). Thus, all knowledge presupposes the axiomatic concepts ‘existence’ and ‘consciousness.’ I don’t know about that other stuff. I don’t claim to exist and not exist, and I don’t claim I’m an illusion. I exist, I’m a human being, an integration of matter and consciousness. Nothing more. Nothing less.

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If we begin with existence, then why does the concept of a god even arise? If we treat existence as a primary, we don’t need it. It’s only if we treat existence as a derivative of something else, but what else exists besides existence?

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You do exist and you clearly have no idea about consciousness and your relationship to it.

You are aware or unaware of consciousness and your relationship to it.

Existence;Awareness,Consciousness are separate and different.

It’s the cognitively biased religion of atheism that claims that consciousness and awareness are the same but what does that religion know? ….Nothing……its science is false.

All matter vibrates because equal but opposite electromagnetic forces are balanced out.You experience the effects of this balancing at the consciousness level.

The 4 off force interactions NN,NS,SN,SS that exist between all spinning particles are balanced out into the united formula N/S=N/S

This means you transition between 2 consciousness states which interact in the 4 off combinations out/out…..out/in….in/out….in/in all the time whether you are aware of it or not.

In=in the moment consciousness
Out=Out of the moment consciousness

All matter vibrates including your physical body and emits varying frequency electromagnetic binary energy waves dependent upon the spin speed of the particles which regulates the frequency of the vibratory interactions and thus the amount of electromagnetic energy emitted.

All matter has its own unique binary code characteristics.

Science is simple and yet profound.All of the sciences are interconnected.

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God is an idealization of man himself.

How are nihilistic cocnepts, such as the Abrahamic god, created?

Simple….

The mind can synthesize and manipulate its own abstraction of reality……creating satyrs, unicorns, etc…..and so it can also invert experienced reality in its mind.

God of Abraham is such an inversion.

Ergo, a contradiction of existence.

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A lifeless binary processing biological machine bot. can and does claim what you claim Silenus…..you are correct….and? …what’s your point?

There is more to individuals than just their head (brain) ….which exists and processes binary data…….lol

“I think,therefore I am” is nonsense philosophy.

You don’t posses life Silenus…..You only exist because you need to exist to claim that you don’t exist just like a binary processing biological machine bot. which exists ….claims things but doesn’t possess life.

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They who always exist (demonstrate, act) their essence is Godhead.

Everybody else is developing their essence, or demonstrating (pretending, testing out, so forth) a different one.

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Well, existence doesn’t exist. Only things exist. Those things are modifications of a single irreducible substance that, by necessity, exists. You can just call it Nature or if you wanna be all scholastic and philosophical, Substance. This substance is not intelligent, does not think or feel, does not ‘rule’, is nonteleological, and is prohibited only by what is illogical. That is, the only thing it can’t do is produce something illogical. Other than that, it is a full positivity of being, each of its countless modifications striving to improve their power and their capacity to act.

Why does it do this? Why is reality what it is? Good question, but it may not be able to be other than it is. Our circumstances may be circumstances for all possible realities… which is to say it doesn’t get any better. So if you exist, you exist in a cold, relentless ecosystem of multifaceted power mongers largely indifferent to your plight. Wherever in the universe you are. Even a monomer fights like a savage to hold itself together and repel external forces (or incorporate them). Will to power is the very essence of Substance, its active principle.

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That’s a lie Promethean because existence needs to exist to claim that it doesn’t exist.

There is no life in existence and non existence because it’s binary.

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If you’re talking about substance, but then you change it, or it changes, then you’re talking about something else.

But if the substance subsumes all change, then it isn’t modifications of, but modifications (ultimately) by.

That kind of sounds intelligent. And not perfect. Is this you? Have you anthropomorphized substance?

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“That kind of sounds intelligent”

And it could only ever kind of sound intelligent to you because you suffer the anthropocentric prejudice that all theists suffer and are not able to understand what nature is or how it works. You attribute to it characteristics that simply aren’t there. You gotta understand what it’s like trying to discuss philosophy with a christian. It’s like talking to a child. I’ll pass.

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“That’s a lie Promethean because existence needs to exist to claim that it doesn’t exist.”

I would caution any man who thinks he’s had a conversation with existence, sir, for the claims you must have heard in your head were shirley not issued from the mouth of it.

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Existence is a plural noun that stands for everything that exists. It’s like the A in A is A, where A stands for anything that exists. It’s no different than saying that a tree exists, except you are saying trees, rocks, fountains, rivers, automobiles, chocolate, fish, and everything else exists or has real being. When we see it from a zoomed-out perspective, we call it the universe; when we zoom in, we call it nature. Reality is what it is because it can’t be anything else. That’s the law of identity. It tells us that everything is itself, A is A. The law of causality is a corollary; If A exists, it must be A, and if A exists, it must act as A.

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Yes, I agree with you. Hence, my questions #2, 4, and 9.

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By the way, if any of you want to ask me questions, feel free. I love to answer. I’ve studied Objectivism for over 30 years so put me to the test.

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If these things exist, then why aren’t they included in existence, a plural noun that denotes everything that exists?

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They exist in the fullness of time (in whole), whereas we are subject to time (in part).

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“They exist in the fullness of time (in whole), whereas we are subject to time (in part).”

Right. Some things exist in full time while others exist in half time, quarter time, and so on. That’s why it’s important to say that: “they exist in the fullness of time.” This had to be cleared up.

Also, things existing in the fullness of time (but not things in the halfness and quarterness of time) aren’t subject to time. Only we are subject to time… so we don’t exist in the fullness of time as per the logical conclusion of the claims (unless there is a special thing that can be both in the fullness of time but subject to it simultaneously).

Now the mess you just saw is actually what your claims work out to mean (if one absolutely had to try and make those bizarre statements meaningful in any way).