# Tenseless Time
**URL:** https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/tenseless-time/35015
**Category:** Non-Philosophical Chat
**Created:** [November 14, 2012, 8:35am UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/tenseless-time/35015 "2012-11-14T08:35:20Z")
**Posts on this page:** 6
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### Author:  [@Ben\_JS](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Ben_JS)
#### Post date: [November 14, 2012, 8:35am UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/tenseless-time/35015/1 "2012-11-14T08:35:20Z")
I was thinking of Tenseless Time and an idea occurred to me.
The image in my mind was of a cartoon flip book. Every page illustrating each deviation space.
I made the assumption that each page was in order, and there’s X amount of pages which flow in a linear manner.
But if the pages were not in order, based on the contents of each page, we wouldn’t be able to distinguish that there wasn’t order. For on each page, the environment would be completely mapped out.
It’s similar to the idea of someone being implanted with false memories. All they are aware of is the present and have no tools to validate their past.
The same could be said for us in Tenseless Time.
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If space-time is a static block, what and where is the motion that gives us the illusion of change?
Is every point always true and active?
Am I a point that is forever locked?
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### Author:  [@GreatandWiseTrixie](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/GreatandWiseTrixie)
#### Post date: [July 27, 2015, 7:40am UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/tenseless-time/35015/2 "2015-07-27T07:40:23Z")
Our brain is set up like a micro-universe. It interpolates the frames in such a way that it only connects similar frames, creating what I call the molasses of motion.
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### Author:  [@The\_Golden\_Turd](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/The_Golden_Turd)
#### Post date: [July 27, 2015, 5:38pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/tenseless-time/35015/3 "2015-07-27T17:38:37Z")
[en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temporal\_logic](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temporal_logic)
[en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retrograde\_amnesia](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retrograde_amnesia)
[en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory\_consolidation](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory_consolidation)
Instead of using the words “Temporal Logic” like wikipedia demands, try looking under “Tense Logic”.
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### Author:  [@jonquil](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/jonquil)
#### Post date: [July 27, 2015, 10:33pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/tenseless-time/35015/4 "2015-07-27T22:33:02Z")
You should read David Bohm’s interesting attempt to describe
a language with a holistic moving sense of time. That book is
called: Wholeness and the Implicate Order.
Bohm wrote: “I would say that in my scientific and philosophical work, my main concern has been with understanding the nature of reality in general and of consciousness in particular as a coherent whole, which is never static or complete but which is an unending process of movement and unfoldment…”
Also here’s a site from David Peat, an explicator and follower of Bohm’s ideas on language.
[fdavidpeat.com/ideas/langling.htm](http://www.fdavidpeat.com/ideas/langling.htm)
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> Bohm did note, however, that our (Indo-European) languages tend to be highly noun-oriented and well suited to discussions of concepts and categories. By contrast, quantum theory demands a more process-oriented approach, a verb-based language perhaps that emphasizes flow, movement and constant transformation. (Bohm’s Holomovement - the movement of the whole.)
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> To this end Bohm developed the notion of a particular language form, the Rheomode, adapted to the discussion of quantum theory and, indeed, to consciousness. It is not clear if Bohm ever considered the Rheomode to have any practical consequences - ie that people would end up speaking it
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### Author:  [@Amorphos](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Amorphos)
#### Post date: [July 27, 2015, 11:08pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/tenseless-time/35015/5 "2015-07-27T23:08:32Z")
If reality were pages of a flip-book, there must also be non pages of a flip book [or something else other than the flip-book by which it is defined/manifest]. Reality is always anything you can think of plus the things between and around that. In a sense, the spirit is what lies between the pages of the book.
timelessness is between the integers of time like a ghost in it’s world.
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### Author:  [@GreatandWiseTrixie](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/GreatandWiseTrixie)
#### Post date: [July 28, 2015, 2:35am UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/tenseless-time/35015/6 "2015-07-28T02:35:01Z")
And interesting thought experiment is this.
How do you know cereal is real? For instance, what if cereal was not real until today, and you just had implanted memories of eating cereal that never happened?
Simply by implanting a memory, it causes the event to actually happen. This is the view of the dogmatic, narrow minded atheist type.
Unless
We do have souls, which function as a type of spiritual memory page, and conscious experience is more than just the interaction of memory cells. This is more likely