I once found it interesting that man had so much trouble answering that question. I had to wonder if he really didn’t know or was just trying to refuse what he already believed.
Strategy
The sole strategy and priority behind all that Life strives to do is creating harmony within as well as compatible harmony with all else - “Self-harmony”. Every human endeavor was born to serve this one goal. Hunger, sex, beauty, power, and all other instinctive drives were created to serve growth toward that one goal.
That which remains in self-harmony cannot perish. Thus that which retains self-harmony is the final stage of all evolution and true eternal life. Such is known as “The Purpose”.
Every form of defense is aimed at preserving the functioning harmony of the defended. Every form of aggression is aimed at eliminating or consuming potential threat to that harmony.
One hungers for food and water so as to grow and replenish the body. By the body’s growth, the power to maintain is increased toward optimum.
Cells, bodies, families, communities and creeds reproduce so as to surround themselves with compatibility. Once harmony is reached, the urge to reproduce further withers.
Power over others; money, pride, vanity, and ego, all serve to maintain a perceived compatibility with one’s surrounding society. Embarrassment and fear of rejection is the perception of its loss often leading to willing servitude so as to not lose it entirely.
The maximum sustainability is achieved through the most energetically momentus harmony. Such a momentum requires;
mass of body,
purity within, and
a striving for what is not yet achieved (drive/energy).
The lust for that which is predictable serves the ease and rapidity with which harmony is achieved (harmonious music and dance). The delight in that which is lightly disharmonious and surprising, serves to energize, wake up, and clarify pursuit (Rock-n-Roll or the new). Both in proper proportion serve true life and counter what we call “evil”.
Harmony and growth are not achieved by the simple minded accomplishment of mere perfect rotations, but by the challenge of the slight threat of impurity and imbalance. The more readily one attends to the challenge, the less dire the need of the threat.
Endless massive energy of pursuit (momentum) is the target. Perceived progress of the pursuit is the joy.
Life ends - everything dies, regardless of whether it’s feeling at harmony with the universe.
Where does chaos fit into this schema? It’s just as easy to say that everything breaks, everything falls apart, as it is to say that everything seeks harmony . . . is harmony then just an impossible dream? we maintain our integrity by chasing our tails - spinning in order to hold ourselves together - until we get too tired, die, and break apart / decay
maybe death and dissolution are the only true paths to harmony - life, insofar as it is devoted to perpetuating discrete identities, could be seen as being in perpetual opposition to harmony (i.e. the substrata of “oneness” that underlies everything) - it’s not until we are no longer individual units that we can lay claim to having acheived unity - and once we have acheived unity there is no “we” remaining to lay claim to anything.
we all pursue pleasure - we all pursue our desires and ends - we all pursue harmony - all this is to say the world keeps turning - until it doesn’t anymore - there is probably no “purpose” to any of it
what’s the meaning of life? if you want it to be harmony fine, but that is an arbitrary answer to a moot question.
I am not referring to “feeling harmony”. I am referring to actual physical harmony as the electron spinning around the proton. For billions of years it spins until something finally crashes into it to break it apart. The hydrogen atom lacks the ability to see and avoid its adversary.
To the ignorant, everything is easy to say.
No, we chase the means for preventing that “too tired to go on” and “inevitable decay”. Science can already keep a human body alive for centuries. They merely need to be given a reason to keep yours alive that long. As far as your desire to continue; that is an issue of the wisdom in how you choose to live.
Very Satanically Socialistic of you to preach.
Every person is interacting with his surroundings regardless of whether he harmonizes with it. When a harmony is achieved, individual disruption and decay are reduced (as with any machine). IF the harmony is aimed at preventing decay of every individual, which it would have to be in order to truly be harmony, the intelligence of all participants comes to bare on the problem of how to ensure survival of each and every individual and to its eventual success…
I am talking about why the body ever started doing those things.
Probability is only for those ignorant of the facts. The less one knows, the more possible and probable everything becomes. To the extremely ignorant, “2+2=5 if you want it to be bad enough”.
There was a time when man didn’t ask. The question probably arose after self consciousness evolved – when man thought himself to be a discrete entity surrounded by other things.
The meaning of life, or a major aspect of it, must be already in operation there. That stands to reason due to the fact that man has survived without the answer. What can man not do if he gives up the search? Searching for it may be reinforcing the isolation from the harmonious natural life around.
Assuming there is a meaning proceeds from the knowledge one has of and about it. Without the knowledge there is no question that will be born. All questions are born from answers that are already there. There is really no need to ask the question. Any answer given will only add to the list of answers. If a true answer existed, then man would rest in it putting an end to the questioner. The question goes on because man does not want an answer which would put an end to himself as the questioner. Thought wants to maintain itself and protect itself.
So there’s another question that pops up as to whether the instrument of thought is separate from the life or is an integral part of it.
For some reason or another you want to be at harmony with yourself. Why can’t you be? That’s the very first question that I ask you. Why does it always have to be tomorrow or the day after tomorrow? The same is true for your neighbor and for his neighbor; that’s the world, do you understand? Every individual is seeking certainty for himself and therefore there can be no certainty in this world. It is not that I am pessimistic or cynical, but that is the reality of the world. What you have tried up to now has done you no good at all!
Harmony is when everything works out well together.
That’s somewhat required for life, but life is also destructive.
Things like diseases dont cause harmony, they are just microbes trying to eat and reproduce.
Sometimes one species whipes out many others.
Nonono… you misunderstand what I am trying to say.
Of course, every life is not trying to seek harmony with every other life. EACH life is seeking its OWN harmony of life. As they encounter each other, sometimes they merge in harmony, more often they conflict, not perceiving a means to be in harmony, and thus either attempt to destroy each other or bounce off to go separate ways.
I’m not certain how presumptuous you are intending on being.
People find it very difficult to be in harmony within (with themselves) for 2 primary reasons plus several less significant reasons.
They do not realize that is what their instincts are aimed at achieving, thus they do not consciously help to ensure it. Instead they play and take risks, unaware of the self-defeating effect. That is the state of all people who have yet to learn. During that learning, they most often cause more permanent injury to their actual goal. Much like a child who has yet to learn where to invest his money and what kind of schemes to avoid.
It is the way of Man (governance), especially these days, to ensure that all people feel insecure (terrorism) so as to obtain control over them. This is an ancient means to control a population, very tried and true - up to a point where it then all collapses.
Diseases and many forms of ailments and social entanglements (dis-reputations) are used to keep people futily struggling in their effort to find that harmony (peace of mind) that they don’t even realize is their goal.
ALL of the religions speak of these same concerns. But the religions mistakenly confuse stagnate Peace with energetic Harmony. Stagnate Peace is death. Energetic Harmony is living.
What I “have tried up to now” involved discovering what the goal actually has been and quite a bit as to how to get there. I personally, have been to that blissful mountain, but the Bodhisattva doesn’t remain there if he truly understands.
that’s incorrect - in ignorance one believes in facts that are absolute, that never change, that warrant certainty, and that one would necessarily be ignorant to question - in any case, i DON’T believe that there are no facts - so even by your definition of the term, to insinuate that i am ignorant would just be name-calling
The certainty with which you express your ignorance of topic when you rant is astounding. But how about look a little less in the mirror as you interpret what others are really trying to say and address the exact things they really say and probably mean.
You have been convinced that there are no absolutes and you are obviously absolutely certain of that (big surprise). Fine. I take it you have no more to say on this topic.
oh spare me - do you even know any insults other than “you are ignorant”? it’s gotten old
you should begin by taking your own advice here - so far you’ve replaced me with a strawman every exchange we’ve had (surely you recall intimating that i am a satanist? - i thought that was a real gem) - and not just in this thread
if you feel i have misinterpreted you, or missed your point, then clarify, don’t just shout “ignorance” - i’ve long since gotten the point that you don’t like me, how about moving past that? why so much indignance, i wonder?
i am not convinced of anything, but i have beliefs about many things that i find to be likely - that’s not certainty - that’s just what’s necessarry to function in the world
and no, i have plenty to say on this topic - you are just intent on ignoring it - some might call that tendency to ignore, well . . . ignorant.
ok - then how about a question - the one i asked in my initial post which you ignored:
assuming you don’t deny that chaos is an active force in the universe, and that the forces of entropy are real, what role do these play in life’s seeking of harmony, in your estimation?
also: “purpose” implies agency - who’s agency is it?
Trying to talk to you on this subject is about like trying to discuss Taoism with a Christian fanatic. Your mindset is SO far removed from this topic, I’m not sure that anything I say is received as I meant it and pretty certain it isn’t. Try to understand that I am talking about the technical logic involved in any living entity from strictly a scientific and logical stand point. Try to take your emotion and attitudes out of the conversation and look at it technically only.
Chaos is not a force. It is a state. Entropy is an effect of relatively random forces. Entropy, in effect, is “The Devil” even more so than the Jewish version. Entropy expresses the only real problem to solve for any living entity; the problem of falling into disharmony, of dieing.
“Harmony” refers to the actual process of a life (whatever that might be). It infers a lack of inner corruption and lack of outer critical interference.
“Critical interference” refers to an interference so great that it destroys the ability to continue. Minor interference is required and as it is a part of the required process, it can hardly even be called interference, but rather merely the workload of the day.
The “agency” is from the one trying to live.
If you think you understood any of that, try rereading the OP and seeing if it makes any more sense to you (but I won’t be holding my breath).
