I like watching CSI on television largely because I consider it homework for my own activities and because I find it very comedic onto being hilarious. The crime lab investigators remind me of a inquisition of the church with their technical gear hunting down demons and heretics for the church most high that is the government.
I especially love making fun of the character named Grissum. ( The priest idiot.)
[b]Anyhow what caught my attention was this statement here which I think signifies the rhetoric of all law enforcement agencies worldwide:
" Animals may rape and kill but you yourself are unlike them."- (Random detective speaking to a criminal.)[/b]
It would seem that law enforcement agencies confirm a interesting hallucination that men are not animals and therefore have no right in perpetuating primal instinctual acts of violence because they are somehow different.
Well this is a thread where I would like and welcome all humanists or people of the law to confirm their beliefs as to why men are unlike all other animals in that they shouldn’t utilize their violent tendencies in the face of others.
( Let the games begin.)
it’s a fucking TV show joker…whats next, you going to pull philosophical one liners from the price is right? I really do not think that TV is an accurate reflection of reality…In fact most books aren’t either. You used to call me Aristotle, but now I think you are the book(TV)/worm. Don’t you already have several threads on this topic already?
This thread comes down to this beyond my poor attempt of an analogy:
You must not address yourself as another biological animal. The state defines you as a “human” and therefore you must act morally in a religious humanist fashion because the state demands that you do so. Violators will be arrested, condemned or shot dead.
This is the underlining theme of all historical morality and humanism unto the present.
Because they would have to take large sums of time to pull somthing out of their ass as to why people shouldn’t embrace their violent predatory instincts like other animals.
Some days i think, it would be nice if millions became violent all at once, and got it over with. Just one rampage until its done and over. Then we can get back to doing more interesting things. hey Joker why don’t you start everyone off with that. you lead others will follow.
Because hunter/gatherers aren’t even overly that violent to ingroups anyway, they;'re more violent then we are, but still, murdering someone of your own ‘ingroup’ was about as successful where we spent 99.9% of our time as a species as it fucking is now: NOT VERY.
Because its not even natural for people to do what you say in so clear cut a manner, and because there are obvious reasons why we shouldn’t mindlessly give into our emotions. Human death and suffering is somthing that we should all seriously want to avoid, and people who want to just step on people for their own benefit, well people like that exist, and some succeed and some get stepped on and crushed, which creates a cycle of mindless vendetta and violence which no one benefits from.
Except for some random individual briefly. Hah, no one is forcing anyone not to act in a certain way, if you want to know why people shouldn’t or don’t act in certain ways, look at what happens to people that do, thats all you really need. They’re thrown in cells, exactly where they belong.
we don’t have to be any different then any other animal to not embrace our mindless instincts, because we have other instincts that can over-come them, it is a stupid delusion that we’re not animals, but yeah, we’re different then animals and comparing us is basically senseless.
N ormal cognitively functioning individuals can’t be compared to another non-human animal, comparing the actions of animals to justify human actions is a fallacy. Comparing them as if its sensical at all, is a fallacy.
The very differences that allow you to post on the internet and have this discussion clearly illustrate the giant gulf between you and every other animal species, thats why we can put human actions is some kind of class of their own, (though not really they’re still mammillian, ape actions or whatever). But we’re the type of ape that can’t sensically be compared to another animal in terms of mental abilities and choices.
Tisk,Tisk,Tisk ,Tisk…Cyrene. Now your going to make me type.
Your forget tribale warfare and skirmishes of competing tribes.
They didn’t have to be violent in their own group since they were constantly warring with other tribes to achieve their individual desires instead.
This to me sounds alot like moral religious diatribe.
Have your forgotten some 2000 odd years of civilized warfare in nations where billions of people have died in the aftermath of each conflict together over a long period of time?
Your naivety is astounding.
Yeah…
The world is perfect. People aren’t forced to work jobs they don’t want to. People aren’t forced into positions they don’t want to be in.
The market in economical terms doesn’t create class stratifications of prejudice creating forms of inequality everyday.
Society doesn’t kick people out of their homes where people become homeless if they don’t become physical vessels of servitude in a constant state of exploitation.
Silly me.
What the hell was I thinking?
Cyrene you need new material because that post above has to be the most ridiculous amount of BS I have ever heard in my life.
That really explains nothing except for society’s collective biasness or it’s immoral desire for revenge.
Mindless instinct, eh?
Here comes that civilized religious morality under the guise of so called humanistic virtue.
Here we see a clear example of anthrocentrism trying to justify itself saying in metaphorical terms;
" How dare you compare me with other animals I am unique dam you."
( Clearly this represents the ideology of the fearful who cannot accept the pressing reality that they themselves as a species are not unique and that the cosmos cares nothing for their futile efforts of existence.)
The uniqueness of humanity should be explained more on the details of delusion.
I never said conflict was always avoidable or that humans will or have ever liveed without violence. Violence is neccessary somtimes, to destroy our enemies, and I wish people would embrace that for the real threats that civilization faces if it comes to that.
That doesn’t mean I shouldn’t embrace all the intense rights that we have carved out for ourselves in liberal secular societies, and only because all other alternatives are seemingly less stable.
And how do you purpose to change this because in every other system ever tried the same results have happened, to worse extents.
Compare it against what? Sure society sucks, suck it up, compare it to a possible world that we could actualy strive towards, we’ve got it better then far far far far far more then 99.9 of humanity.
Well it happens naturally under pretty much any social system, hunter-gatherers would be kciked out of the tribe or killed for acting in routinely undesirable ways and theres not many other societies that will give you that cell. What are you basing your expectations on? humans aren’t pieces of clay to be molded.
The complexity and specialization of our adaptations to our specific evolutionary cognitive niche, allow us to do things no animal could ever dream of doing. When I decide not to butcher someone for their wallet or I decide not to rape some 18 year old chick (well its not even a decision, it doesn’t have to be its not a choice i entertain as really having) i’m using my instincts, when I decide to kill someone, i’m still using my instincts, animals don’t have nearly our mental capacity in theory of mind, self awareness, ability to meta-model (he thought that she thought that he thought etc etc etc) semantic/episodic memory, the comparison is idiotic.
Are you saying individual threats and fears are lesser than governmental ones that represent whole national civilizations?
If you aren’t saying that than I am afraid you are going to need to accept conflict in individual lives too meaning that all your presumptions on crime or social deviance will have to dissapear as well.
You really haven’t explained to me as to why people should embrace these intense rights created to be “universal” either.
I may think to myself that your rights,privileges and entitlements are complete absurdities in comparison to my own daily affairs of survival.
I seek to change nothing for nothing ever really changes in the history of things since man always remains a predatory being.
Change is a delusion that only those in luxory can afford.
I merely want people to be able to express their predatory instincts more openly without fear or obstruction of religious fanatics who presume to believe that there is some “higher” existence that all individuals must follow.
So since society “sucks” using your description I suppose it is indeed rational to murder and pillage my way in survival using violence when cooperation is no longer a applicable means to myself in achieving reasonable success.
Now we are getting somewhere Cyrene.
Even still you have nothing.
Essentially in such a scenario you have one group utilizing immoral forms of violence under the guise of “justice” against a individual it deems to be a violent transgressor.
Both are equally violent in their motives and actions. The only difference is that the violent group that calls itself “justified” deludes itself into thinking that it is the better by that of so called moral pretenses or by collective religious hysteria within the group itself.
So far your case or defense is not convincing me whatsoever.
So what? If there is no god to watch us or universal meaning to our efforts what exactly is the point of this charade of lucid dreaming incorporated into reality by man’s ability to construct?
I’m still at a loss as to what exactly you are trying to prove here.
( Haven’t you ever heard of analogies before? )
