the answers to questions asked...

[Peter_Kropotkin]

Sammy/Lori has asked, finally, some real questions…
questions that deserve answers and here I give them…

the fact is that not only do words have consequences, but
our beliefs have consequences…

the reason for this is that our beliefs are the basis for our actions,
if we have fucked up beliefs, then we will get fucked up results/actions…
Sammy and millions like him hold to insane conspiracy theories that are
simply theories of hate and division within the state/society…if Sammy
had the courage to attack his beliefs, as Nietzsche stated, then he would
have noticed, that historically, the beliefs that Sammy holds, has been
individually held, not turned into political parties… as they have been done
since the Nazi’s rose to power a 100 years ago… in other words…
political parties that hold to hate and violence and antisemitism, such
as the Nazi party did and the current GOP/MAGA party hold to today,
those individual prejudices and bigotries have become public policy…
and so the basis for much of the current world problems began when
right wing fanatics like Sammy/Lori, turned their private bigotry into
public policy…

of course they won’t believe this and they will/do blame the Jews and blacks
and anyone they are prejudiced against, for the cannot, do not
see how their private prejudices, are turned into public policies,
have fucked up the world… the cause or the answer to why people
do the things they do is because there is no other valid viewpoint given
outside of the public policy of hate and prejudice offer by the right wing
fanatics…their polices don’t unite people, they divide people…the policies
of the right wing of hate and division, separate people into US, vs Them…
Their policy of hate and division meaning that they hate others who are not
like them, allows them to attack and demean, devalue others…
if you divide everyone into good and evil, with liberals and gays
and trans people being evil, you turn those people into the enemy…
and thus marginalizing them… the radical right wing, in doing so,
turns those people into outcasts, they separate them… that is not
what the left wants, they left want diversity of actions and beliefs
and values…the end result here is that everyone, no matter what
they value or believe in or love, they are allowed to part of
the state or the society…the conspiracy theorists do not
unite people, like the values of diversity unite people…those
values in fact are what causing the riots, the attacks on people,
places and things… the fights you so bewail are caused by
your isolating and fragmenting people into US, vs Them…

your very values and beliefs are what causing the dissolution of America…
and the fighting in airports… and in the streets… you are not uniting,
people, you are dividing people,…and this is causing most of the
problems you attack…

The path forward is not by hate or violence or prejudice, the path forward
is by love and by acceptance of others, for who they are and what they
believe in…in one word, diversity… the acceptance of diversity of others…
you want to create a better world, then begin with acceptance of diversity…
begin with accepting others for who they are… the path into the future isn’t
through your hatred of others for who they are, but acceptance of who
they are…that is the way forward…and that is the answer to your question…

accept, not divide…

Kropotkin

[Peter_Kropotkin]

to be clear, I am an atheist, and I don’t believe in the bible,
or any other such document, but having read the bible many times,
the bible has one or two things right…

one. that we reap what we sow… if we sow violence and hate
and division, that is exactly what we will get…if we sow love
and peace and acceptance, that is exactly what we will get…

that we cannot legislate morals and ethics… but we can make morals
and ethics worth having… we can by law, create the path that makes
it easier for us to follow the basic ground rules of the bible… thou shall not…
so instead of turning the law into a place where private hates are turned into
public policies, the right wing wants to use the law to fulfill their hatred of
others into public policy… the banning of gays or trans or even the banning
of abortion is part of the turning hate and division into public policy…
if we make the laws accept people, as they are, then we are no longer
creating hate or division in people… we are accepting of people
as they are… and that is the value of public policy…
it can create a zone where people can love and hold to their own
beliefs and values without judgement or penalty… acceptance,
not hate or judgement…as public policy…as the law… that is
the path into the future where we can live and love and be, as one…

diversity as law is the path into the future of peace and prosperity and
hope… banning diversity, is just accepting hate and prejudice as
public policy…

Kropotkin

[MagsJ (Surya Loka)]

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Its enforced diversity that is the issue… illegals, criminals, and such, descending on and disrupting others’ way of life.

The rise in crime-figures for London, in the last few years…

[Peter_Kropotkin]

@MagsJ

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Its enforced diversity that is the issue… illegals, criminals, and such, descending on and disrupting others’ way of life.

The rise in crime-figures for London, in the last few years…

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K: I would suggest that you have added 2 + 2 = 5…
the two ideas, diversity and crime, do not have a connection…
that is one, diversity isn’t creating the other, crime…

conservatives have always had a hard time with cause and effect…
the problem with stats, like this, is that they ignore history…
we have to think about the last few years… one tries, as hard as
possible, to connect illegal immigration with crime…both here
and in the UK… but it isn’t illegal immigration nor diversity that
is driving any increase in crime and the evidence suggests that in
fact, the crime rate has fallen in many places…and that attempt to
create a massive crime problem is remarkable enough, done by the media…
to create its own narrative… to be frank, crime sells… peace does not…
which newspaper would you buy, the one that said, peace is here or the
one that says crime is rampant in America/UK? and we all know the answer…
my dad, owned a newspaper and worked in Newpapers all his adult life…
and the saying in the media, all media is this: if it bleeds, it leads…
the fact is violence sells newspapers…and the same goes true for any media…
if it bleeds, it leads… thus promoting the ‘‘evidence’’ that we have
‘‘Gone to hell in a handbasket’’ but that is the narrative being pushed,
being pushed hard, by the media, which is wholly owned by right wing fanatics
(Rubert Murdoch for example) it is well known that here in America, that
Fox News is the media arm for the GOP/MAGA PARTY… and therein lies
your evidence for the crime increase… the media which is carrying water
for the right… there is no possibility of getting fair and unbiased news from
the media… they have an agenda too… and you may want to adjust your
understanding with the knowledge that the media lies too… and many things
we hold to be true, as advertised by the media, is simply not true…

Kropotkin

[MagsJ (Surya Loka)]

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What!?

Does Kropotkin think crime-stats, being posted through doors all across London, can be doctored? …and which have been accepted as ‘true’ by City Hall.

It is not the UK media reporting crimes but the UK public, who have had enough of the burglaries, muggings, and physical and sexual assaults… of which there is plenty of CCTV footage being uploaded to community sites… ergo evidence.

I think you are mixing up the UK with the US… so most of your post, being irrelevant/not pertinent, to here.

[MagsJ (Surya Loka)]

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The majority of illegal migrants arriving to the U.K. were Albanians.

Guess who were doing most of the crimes during this period/before they were sent back/deported? go on, guess?

[Peter_Kropotkin]

Unauthorized Immigrants in the United Kingdom
FACT SHEETS: EU UNAUTHORIZED IMMIGRATION
France
Germany
Italy
United Kingdom
Below are specific findings about unauthorized immigrants in the United Kingdom. The findings come from a Pew Research Center report about unauthorized immigrants in Europe.

An estimated 800,000 to 1.2 million unauthorized immigrants lived in the United Kingdom in 2017, according to new Pew Research Center estimates based on the latest available data. This number is little changed since 2014.

The UK’s unauthorized immigrant estimate accounts for roughly a quarter of the estimated 3.9 million to 4.8 million unauthorized immigrants living in the 32 European Union and European Free Trade Association (EFTA) countries at the end of 2017. The total number of unauthorized immigrants living in EU and EFTA countries increased since 2014, when it stood at 3.0 million to 3.7 million.

Unauthorized immigrants are non-EU-EFTA citizens who entered the UK without permission and have an unlikely path to permanent residency. The population also includes those who may have entered lawfully but overstayed a visa. Asylum seekers waiting for a final decision in their case are included in the unauthorized immigrant population estimates. Their future status is uncertain as rejection rates are high.

Additional findings for the United Kingdom
The number of unauthorized immigrants in the UK was 800,000 to 1.2 million in 2017, similar to 2014. With such a wide range, however, it is possible that the unauthorized immigrant population did change during this period. The UK was not a top destination for the recent 2015 surge of asylum seekers in Europe. As a result, the bulk of the UK’s unauthorized immigrants were likely people who had overstayed their visas or asylum seekers who remained in the UK after not obtaining refugee status.
Among those with non-EU-EFTA citizenship living in the UK in 2017, more were authorized (1.2 million to 1.6 million) than unauthorized (800,00 to 1.2 million) immigrants.
About half (52%) of the UK’s unauthorized immigrants living in the UK in 2017 were from Asian countries. One-in-five (20%) were from sub-Saharan African countries, while about one-in-ten (11%) were from Middle East-North Africa countries. The remaining share (16%) had nationalities from the Americas and other European countries besides EU-EFTA countries.
More than half (57%) of unauthorized immigrants living in the UK in 2017 are estimated to have lived in the country for five years or longer. This is different from unauthorized immigrants overall in Europe, where the majority have lived in EU-EFTA countries less than five years.
Almost equal shares of unauthorized immigrants in the UK were male (48%) and female (52%) in 2017. The majority (58%) in 2017 were under 35 years old.
Pew Research Center estimates for the United Kingdom’s unauthorized immigrant population used the “residual” method, an indirect way to estimate the size of this population. It is the same method used by the Center in the United States to estimate the size of its unauthorized immigrant population.

The number of unauthorized immigrants in the UK is in line with previous estimates and recent migration trends. In 2007, a Greater London Authority and London School of Economics study placed the number of unauthorized immigrants between 417,000 and 863,000. Ten years later, after hundreds of thousands additional migrants from non-EU-EFTA countries have entered and stayed in the UK, the Center’s 2017 estimate of 800,000 to 1.2 million unauthorized immigrants is consistent with these recent migration trends.

K: I see that over 50% of the unauthorized immigrants are Asian,
and 20% were sub-African nations…so, roughly 70% of the '‘unauthorized’
population comes from Africa or Asia… not Albanian… and how does one
actually identify someone being from Albanian and not from say, Macedon or
or Greece? do they wear signs saying, I am from Albanian… or is it them
saying to their victims, ‘‘Please note that I am from Albanian… you know,
in case someone asks’’… and the same problem arises from cctv TV…
how do we know who is who if, if they are in the country ''unauthorized""
how do we have their picture to compare it to? there are just way too many problems
with your attempt to smear Albanians…

Kropotkin

[MagsJ (Surya Loka)]

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Actually, the number of illegal immigrants is thought to be much higher than officially stated… a number that officials are actually unsure of what it really is. This has been quite a sore talking point here… as you can imagine.

The Albanian problem has also been a sore talking point here, due to the amount of criminal activity that this one country’s people can actually physically commit… a shocking amount, in fact.

Peter: “…how do we know who is who if, if they are in the country ''unauthorized""
how do we have their picture to compare it to? there are just way too many problems
with your attempt to smear Albanians…”

Me: Why on earth would I, personally, want to smear Albanians?

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[MagsJ (Surya Loka)]

@Peter Kropotkin

I see that over 50% of the unauthorized immigrants are Asian,
and 20% were sub-African nations…so, roughly 70% of the '‘unauthorized’
population comes from Africa or Asia… not Albanian…

…so?

How does that^ correlate to criminal activity? …does it, even?

and how does one
actually identify someone being from Albanian and not from say, Macedon or
or Greece? do they wear signs saying, I am from Albanian… or is it them
saying to their victims, ‘‘Please note that I am from Albanian… you know,
in case someone asks’’

Accents…? photo-recognition technology? you know…

… and the same problem arises from cctv TV…
how do we know who is who if, if they are in the country ''unauthorized""
how do we have their picture to compare it to? there are just way too many problems
with your attempt to smear Albanians…

Kropotkin

Accents… photo-recognition technology… word of mouth [as we still have our cohesive-communities, here].

Is stating factual reality, correlatory to smear attempts?

[MagsJ (Surya Loka)]

@Peter Kropotkin

Accents… photo-recognition technology… word of mouth [as we still have our cohesive-communities, here].

Is stating factual reality, correlatory to smear attempts?

The streets of London were dominated by Somali gangs, prior to the newer influxes of migrants now arriving to Our shores, and whom were also committing the largest majority of the crimes.

Those that didn’t want to get rounded up and imprisoned or stabbed to death by their British rivals, them or their families soon found the cash for a one-way-ticket back to Somaliland and on to freedom.

The U.K. has been constantly purging itself of such unsavoury incoming demographics for years, but especially more-so since the first lockdown/since 2020.

Does Peter find that inhumane or unethical or anti-human-rights?

What about the rights of their victims and the public at large?