The Art and Philosophy of Bodybuilding

Perception of appearance is about associative bias and genetic biological interest.

They showed her men.
She’s going to pick the one that she favors personally for her biological urges of creating good offspring with her genetics and provide favorable ideals to that body.

She also reveals other associations that she carries by applying geographical location to body types.
This further means that she genetically finds eastern body types more interesting and attractive.

All of this really didn’t show anything except what this one lady’s associations are, and that they will be biased for her genetic need and want; as I said.
This fact has been proven.

If you were to take two different members of the same groups and ask her in 20 years, she will have a different answer.

If she is around 20, then ask her again around 30 and she will have a different answer even.
Her genetic interest will have changed.

Kewl.

I thought it was something like that.

Have you studied psychology then?

I have a fascination with the psychology of association and appearance; especially physiognomy.
I became interested after years of art.

I was originally interested in how forms communicate in character to the perception, but now I just find the entire topic novel and interesting.

OK well that explains the avatar.

What are you more interested in now?

Actually, the avatar is a statement of being blinded by being so heavily focused on what we can see, and disregarding most other senses that we have.

oh man…what am I NOT interested in is a smaller list.

So interestingly the avatar ties in very closely with what we have been discussing.

Likewise I am interested in a lot, and much of my time is focused on choosing what not to be interested in.

Do you have any recommendations for reading on this particular subject?

Read stuff on:
Genetic Psychology
Psychology of Aesthetics
Physiognomy
Anything by Paul Ekman (genius)

You’ll catch the idea from there I think…

Thanks.

I lift weights regularly, every other day. I think a person should be balanced - no healthy mind without a healthy body, and vice versa.

I agree.

I subscribe to the healthy mind/body ethic too - I acquired an allergy to wheat that would bloat my body for days at a time, and I found it mentally hard to cope with or to even concentrate/think straight…

I have always seen body-building/fitness training as an artform/as a way to strengthen the mind as well as the body…

:banana-dance:

Body-builders have the strongest mind/body connection more than any other athletic discipline…

I always find it interesting when they very first thing people bring up when discussing body building is steroids.

It is as if they believe that if they themselves took enough steroids they would look similar.

Body builders at the professional level demonstrate an astounding amount of intelligence and work ethic in their field. Sure, they may not be able to talk at length about physics and philosophy (though I am sure many could) but in their field of interest, they are brilliant and disciplined.

They are also genetically gifted. A vanishingly small percentile of the population even has the genetic potential to achieve what they do. It doesn’t matter if you personally think it is attractive or not. These are gifted and extremely talented people.

The amount of chemical knowledge required to do a successful round of steroids is mind boggling. It is not as simple as buying some stuff and injecting it. There are dozens of compounds that have a myriad of effects. Looking at your body and seeing what to use for a specific goal costs thousands of dollars and hundreds of hours of research. If a mistake is made in using steroids, you can burn up your liver or kidneys. You could grow breasts. You can permanently shut down and alter your endocrine system.

These are not meat-heads randomly sticking needles. The people like that don’t get very far in any profession.

Aside from steroids, these people know the exact number of calories they need and at what exact times of day. They know exactly how much of every nutrient they need at which time of day. They force themselves to eat unpleasant foods multiple times per day for weeks on end.

It is not vanity. It is a push to be the very, very best they can be in their chosen profession. To push their body to the absolute max. To compete. To win. To examine, find flaws…and then fix them. It is a 24 hour per day, 7 day per week, 365 day per year absolute dedication to their goals. How many of us can say we dedicate ourselves that much to anything???

Steroids plays a large role in their development…I’d say around 20% is steroids. The other 80% is an amount of hard work and dedication that most of us will never replicate in any profession we chose. If I were involved in that sport, I would be proud of the amount of work I had put in.

Just because you aren’t a fan of a particular something…doesn’t mean you have an obligation to insult those who have reached the pinnacle of success in that something.

I work out, but not like crazy.

For me at least, moulding your body should be about what it enables you to do, rather than just about looking pretty.

Put the fake tan down and walk away.

So many things are good about this post.

I like the way you have depth and breadth to your knowledge of the sport.

Inside knowledge is what seperates is what seperates the superficiality of prejudiced onlookers from the depth of the knowledgeable.

So many people see that professional bodybuilders look good and judge everything about them based on the impression this looking good creates in their minds.

They have absolutely no idea what goes into being that good, dismissing their immense achievement as ‘steroids’, or vanity.

The people that have judgements like these all look like shit and could never and will never achieve what someone like Arnold has.

A shame, though, that his ‘heart’; his compassion, his empathy (and his acting ability/talent) is not as well developed as his muscles.
The vain ‘achievement’ of a pretty physique does less for humanity then wiping the snot from a baby’s nose!

Unless you have lived under a rock the past 20 years…surely you know the impact Arnold has had on fitness in the world.

He has sponsored dozens of initiatives at many levels from government to schools and has no doubt inspired many, many people to live healthier lives and live longer and more happy.

Exercise has so many effects on the body…inspiring MILLIONS of people into fitness…I’d say that is a more profound impact than I have had…or possibly ever will.

It is good to see someone knows what they are talking about.

It is good to see someone go deeper than the common man.

Yeah, weight training is such a selfless act, feeding the hungry and sheltering the homeless.
Come on you starving kids, one and two and one and two…
I love the way Arnie is balancing his enormous debts on the backs of the poor. And one and two and check in the mirror for a moment and stroke one and two and one and two…

Schools are closing because he needs the money and because he can. Programs for the kids are closing. Etc… but yeah, how special that he is/was a bodybuilder to such a compulsive and vain degree. The world’s a better place.

Yeah, there is a doubt.

Anyone who has raised and launched an honest, thoughtful, honorable child has done more for the world and it’s ‘future’ than all the bodybuilding any individual can ever do…
Selfish vs selfless…
I stand behind my initial statement.