Because we are in this cycle and not some previous one - where we had the same discussion. To me a loop means that it runs from 0 to, say, a year, and then because it is a loop it goes back to zero, or really Zero is pasted to the end of the year and so it seamlessly flows into the next cycle. Either this looping started at some point - which makes the fact that it is a loop not helpful in this context or it has always been looping. If there is an infinite recurrance of that loop, how did we get through the other cycles before this one?

No, I think I acknowledged that. But again you are looking at it as something ‘we reach’. We will, yes, experience a finite amount of time to any point in time. But if it has been looping, it has looped a finite number of times or an infinite number of times. So see above…

You are explaining about our subjective experience - and yes, we experience nothing outside the loop, everthing in a finite time range. I am talking about the objective looping. How did it reach this cycle? the one that seems like the only one to us.

Think of it as we live in a cd that automatically replays from the beginning. Sure, we experience finite time and finite distances, but the looping is either in an infinite series or it is not. The loop is played an infinite number of times or a finite number. At the objective level of these series of loops, how did it arrive at this loop, even though this loop cannot be distinguished from the other loops, this does not matter. EVen though we will have the experiences we have and from any point on the loop we are a finite distance. Sure if we are listening to song 3, we are only a couple of songs from the first song. But if the CD has been playing for infinite time, then how did the loop get to this instance of playing the loop?

Or let’s take groundhog day. In that time loop Bill Murray’s character carries over memories to the next cycle, so he gets to learn over time and the loops are different from eachother. In your loop nothing is carried over, but there is still a series of loops. In this version Bill Murray wakes up to the same music, remembers nothing about this day and the day goes as it did each time before. Sure, the day is always the same. We could even imagine that his life before the day does not exist except as memory for Bill. But, regardless of the lack of change from cycle to cycle, Bill is still in this cycle. Let’s say it was a finite series. For some reason this loop starts and now we have gone through ten cycles. Well the tenth cycle is not the first one, even though Bill and everyone else does the same things and experiences the same things.

So would also be the case in an infinite series of the loop. So given that prior to this one we are living in, there would have been an infinite number of cycles, all the same loop, how can this cycle be the one playing, since there was an infinite number before? IOW your argument against the infinite series in you earlier post, but applied to loops.

If you still don’t get what I am saying this time, I will break the loop. just for each of our peace of minds.